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Rendlesham forest incident it doesn't

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involved aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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will assure hosts and we have an

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exciting show this evening we have Don

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ledger and he's going to be talking

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about shag the shag harbour incident I

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think it's one of the most intriguing

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cases on record I'm excited to talk

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about that before that we have Alejandro

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Rojas coming up with the UFO updates and

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in just a minute and I want to thank

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everyone that supports the show we are

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show you can of course watch it live or

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digital network and that's Thursday

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evenings from 10 to midnight there's

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another radio station that plays our

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show in full and I will get you that

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information I'm not sure of the time or

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date but I will get you that information

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as well that's it for me Alejandro how

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you doing

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i mo al and you're going on a little R&R

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that's coming up pretty soon yes yes

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yeah in just a couple weeks very

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exciting so the week after next so it

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can't come soon enough and luckily next

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week is a short one because of Memorial

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sailing the seven seas actually I'll

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yeah Wow mm-hmm that's great awesome

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so I have a kind of an announcement to

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of everybody is up and the mid-june I'm

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this time I'm going for 42 days which is

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a long time whoa I know I should be more

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because I will be going to like Crimea

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because I don't have a radio schedule

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like I used to so I might run the show

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that is something it's not in stone

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me at martinet podcast UFO if you have

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some negative or positive feedback about

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that so you know if you did that I would

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the video oh man that would not be fun

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know it's really hard for you to do that

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no mm-hmm and he can only do it every

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busy everybody's really busy I don't

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evening because I've got at like you

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and stuff and mm-hmm and so that's what

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mm-hmm so anything going on

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there are some things going on in New fo

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world some I saw your blog today you

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want to talk about that first Kurt

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Russell oh I want to talk about that

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last now you just like I said you want

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to talk about that last Kurt Russell

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yeah but now you gave away the big

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secret but that's okay people probably

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some people know but what I want to talk

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about first it actually pertains to your

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guest oh because you're talking about

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shag harbour and there's some shag

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harbour news that's right yeah you ready

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for this one ready yeah so shake Harbor

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was a famous UFO incident and in fact

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the Canadian government has some

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information about this on their site

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they have the Canadian government has an

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official like a UFO website and where

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they talk about a lot of UFO stuff and

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the Canadian governments you know

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researching of UFOs which only lasts a

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short period of time really interesting

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stuff and so they do have a description

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and a file on the Shake Harbor event and

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I've got the link and I've got that

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information posted here but essentially

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on October 4th 1967

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you know the civilians and some Canadian

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Mounted Police saw this object go into

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shake Harbor and you'll be able to see

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more about that they never figure out

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what the heck it was

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and it's often referred to as Canada's

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Roswell of course you're going to hear a

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lot more about this from from Dawn

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ledger details so he can get into that

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but in order to memorialize the event

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there was a group of people trying to do

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a 50th anniversary of this event in

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October you know just prior to October

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4th when the event took place there are

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called the shake Harbor a UFO incident

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Society they were hoping to get a grant

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from Canada's Department of Communities

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culture and heritage they were sure they

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were going to get this grant but they

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found out recently they were denied so

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they were really sad a story came out in

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the local paper and how they were bummed

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and and you know they're just going to

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have to rethink things they still want

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to do something but their budget is to

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nowhere

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luckily a mysterious donor read that

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article and decided to donate the money

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they need so happily they sent us a

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press release I'm sure they sent this to

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others but they sent open minds that TV

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a press release about this and that

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they're happy that things will be

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continuing so they got an anonymous

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donor and they said this donor is a UFO

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researcher and this is very mysterious

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this donor said that they didn't want

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anybody to know their who their identity

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was but they did have a public statement

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to make and wait till you hear this one

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there is much I can't reveal without

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further without any hesitation I can say

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the Canadian government and the

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international community it answers to

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appears to be concealing what happened

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in and around the waters of shake Harbor

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Canada

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on October 4th 1967 people with the

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connections notoriety and finances are

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working hard the challenge how we view

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the world around us

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shake Harbor is one of the smoking guns

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that will be used to achieve this

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excellent Wow

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email from the vice president of the

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shag harbors and so you probably got the

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press release too then well I got an

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email directly from I guess I'll say his

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first name Brock yeah that's how I got

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it yep and basically he saw that I was

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covering the shag harbour incident with

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Don and also I did recently with a

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Jordan Bonaparte so he said hey look

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you're welcome to come on up to our you

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know to our conference so um you know

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what I think I'm going to do it really

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are you that bar I mean you are I can

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drive you know it's like though it's

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like that probably a good day and a half

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take seven hours gee it's the Canadian

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border from Maine it's a big state so so

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I'm thinking it's a maybe a day or date

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you know maybe a little bit longer than

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a day driving you know what darn it I

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think I'm gonna do it

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yeah that'd be nice maybe do a show or

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something from there yeah you're

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dedicated yes I said well yeah well cool

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do that it'll be really cool they tell

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us how it goes

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I think I will I think a whale think

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well yeah so what else is happening so

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another piece of information um that we

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received we have just such great friends

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all around the world and this one is

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from ondrea's Mueller he is a occasional

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contributor from Germany he actually

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runs his own web site that covers the

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paranormal and what he calls frontier

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sciences and called gree we essentially

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actually has made news and of all places

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unfortunately largely the British

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tabloids which we do not like because

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they usually screw stuff up but Nick

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Pope spoke with him he's always working

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with these themed tabloids even though

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they they blow things out of proportion

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but anyway the story was this that

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remember those eighteen files so the

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British government had released all

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their UFO files in batches over many

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well during this period of time they

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were releasing these batches john

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burroughs one of the witnesses of the

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Rendlesham forest incident a famous UFO

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sighting that happened at a in britain

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at a base there that was a US Air Force

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Base they were leasing that the base and

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he wanted to find out more information

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easy he's been researching to find a

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government documents on on his sighting

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and he wanted these particular

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government documents he asked the UK

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government for them they said well we're

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releasing the documents you're going to

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have to wait it's going to be in there

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well when the last batch came out they

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weren't there so he said hey guy

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it's um where are these files they have

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but but they pretty much stonewalled

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them and finally a British citizen had

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read a story about Burroughs and trying

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to get these files so he asked the UK

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government where are these files and the

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UK government publicly actually answered

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his request and said oh we're sorry I

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guess we do have some more UFO files we

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didn't release them all and we'll go

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those out to you shortly this was in

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2014 actually they said it would

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probably take nine months to get them

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out 2014

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they've been delaying ever since so

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people keep asking where these files

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where these files even the House of

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Lords one of the minister said where are

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these files when they asked the

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Department of the you know Ministry of

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Defense they keep saying oh we're going

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to release them we're going to release

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them well the last date they were

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supposed to come out was March this

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March they said that will finally have a

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mountain March well lo and behold March

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comes and goes and there are no files so

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Andres Mueller Key pegged the UK

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government he said hey guys were these

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files he said they're going to be out

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March they're not out they responded and

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they said due to the upcoming election

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here in the UK and the rules relating to

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government departments during the

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pre-election period the files will not

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be released until after the election we

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are working to ensure that the files are

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ready for release as soon after this

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period as possible hopefully around the

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middle of June hmm well you know in a

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way I know they keep putting it off but

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in a way I can see that well it'd be

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kind of exciting if they cause a stir

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but you know that's got to be the reason

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they just don't want to deal with any

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controversies around election time so I

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can I guess I get that part I cannot

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believe you're making excuses with the

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UK's withholding violence well you know

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if they stuck to the March thing it

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probably would have been just fine right

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yeah why could they do it but I mean

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it's now been

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then I three years yeah we're goodness

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sakes if they delay it again they really

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have no excuse for it really yeah and

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and you know at this point since they've

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delayed every single time they were

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supposed to come out I mean the

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confidence level that they actually will

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come out in June at least for me it's

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pretty low yet so there's no saying do

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they have a similar regulation in

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England as they do in the United States

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as far as the freedom from Freedom of

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Information Act do yeah it is very

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similar and Nick Pope has spoken to this

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of course Nick Pope worked for the

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Ministry of Defense investigating UFOs

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for a few years in the 90s and he talks

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about how even though they have a voyage

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still very easily to hide the documents

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they could have been destroyed they

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could have been moved somewhere where

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nobody knows where they are or they

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could be moved to a private corporation

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in which those people do not fall under

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the Freedom of Information Act there's

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nor ours here in the United States so

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they would have no obligation to share

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those files so there are a number of

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scenarios in ways that those files could

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be and I swept under the rug and and so

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you know he feels that there are other

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files out there that may never come to

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light yeah well not to go completely

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conspiratorial but you know the

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government I'm sure does things through

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private contractors in order to avoid

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any type of congressional I'm talking

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about our government congressional

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investigations or that could be possible

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well it seems that the military at times

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and I'm sure other agencies will destroy

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files if they're that you know in cinder

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airy and cinder airy I don't know if I'm

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saying if they're that at you know

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revealing of crimes or something really

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negative

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to which they feel they never should

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come to light and maybe they feel that

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there's no value to the information

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anymore anyway that I think people do

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destroy documents probably on a regular

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basis I think we've heard of that you

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have several times so some of these

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documents could be destroyed in fact I

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my next year will be with Nick Redfern

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and we actually already did the

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interview and he and I talked quite a

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bit about this when we talked about

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Roswell we'll both be speaking out there

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and he has a some of your listeners may

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know and maybe you'll need to talk to

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him at some point about it - he has a

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alternative theory when it comes to

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Roswell and so yeah it's you know like

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those are files that they say they've

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lost their been destroyed and they're

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gone

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so yeah but chase Brandon found a box

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that said Roswell on it yeah but I mean

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this is the whole problem with the Tres

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Brandon thing he found a box in the

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CIA's library and apparently and this is

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a library any CIA agent can go into and

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Langley it's right there I guess in the

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lobby lobby you do have to be a CIA

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employee to go in there but this box it

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apparently just had books and in

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particular it was course shows book you

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read so it doesn't seem like add

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anything secret or just it just had you

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know like books and media stuff nothing

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that the public could didn't see

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although it is interesting that chase

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Brandon says the material including you

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know the day after Roswell book

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convinced him that you know there was

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something to the Roswell incident but

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yeah it doesn't sound as though you

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necessarily read anything that was

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top-secret and if he did I mean that

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wouldn't be the best place to have it

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where any CIA agent can go in there and

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say oh look at boots aliens are real not

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only that I'm sure that anybody would

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realize the fact that if there was a

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file box

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with Roswell material in and it's not

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going to say Roswell on the outside I

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would say box number see two three five

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seven or some type of code numbers or

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something it would well in a library it

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might say Braswell

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yeah I didn't know was in a library

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actually yeah if it was efficient if it

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was official you know documentation

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you're right

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I think it would say box XYZ or box one

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two three four five - seventy-five three

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you know but since it it's a library it

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makes more sense even that it is less

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sensitive material because it's just you

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know they have it in their Roswell

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section they have sections for or

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probably everything maybe even a Martin

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Willis section well it's similar to I

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had mentioned on the show months ago

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that you know at an ex-cia agent not a

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former a retired CIA agent had you know

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magic twelve documents in his in his

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footlocker which I've I thought was you

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know meant something but it could be

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just a curiosity thing you know I never

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did get yeah where with his son or

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anything on that so I think it's just

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something out of curiosity that someone

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may have in the topic itself and just

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you know collect that as it's probably

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fun for them to read through something

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like that I agree with you very percent

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my friend yeah so we're kind of going

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long but we have the big story you plug

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that that the beginning of my section

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here so you want me to go over the Kurt

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Russell thing go long go long all right

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and I love this story because yeah it's

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Kurt Russell uh says he witnessed the

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Phoenix likes the famous maybe the most

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famous or at least the the most seen UFO

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event here in the United States so uh

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guardians of the galaxy - just came out

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I just saw it this weekend it's

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excellent

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I loved it and Kurt Russell's in it and

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he is great so they are doing this

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interview for BBC One's

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The One Show and

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in the UK and it's Chris Pratt and Kurt

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Russell and the host opens up this

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folder that says top secret and he says

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I've gone through the international

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files to find an interesting story for

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you guys and and I'm I didn't see the

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whole thing but I have seen some of it

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and apparently they talked about how he

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found a UFO story and Chris Pratt said

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he doesn't really believe in UFOs or

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something and and so he started to read

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this UFO story the host and he says you

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know you make guys may be interested

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that in March of night no he does he

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didn't even say they II just said that

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in Phoenix Arizona there was a pilot

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that was coming in for a landing he was

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flying with his son and he saw six

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lights in the sky and I said these UFOs

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and upon landing he reported these UFOs

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the control towers that they didn't

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catch anything on radar so the host a

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very you know I says mystery I'm trying

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to bring some excitement to things and

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Kurt Russell says yeah the plane number

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to that plane was Bravo two tango Sierra

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and I know this because I was the pilot

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of that plane to which the hosts go oh

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my gosh and Chris Pratt makes this funny

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face kind of like what and so so Chris

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Pratt didn't seem to be in the loop on

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this whole thing so Kurt Russell says

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yeah I was bringing my son Oliver who is

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actually goldie Hawn's son and he's not

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married to goldie hawn so it's not even

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really his stepson but I guess Oliver

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considers Kurt Russell his dad because

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he grew up with him and everything so he

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called him his son and Oliver Hudson so

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Kate Hudson's brother so she's a actor

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as well so he was flying his son to

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Phoenix to drop him off so he could see

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his girlfriend they and as they were

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flying in they see these six lights

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Oliver says hey Dad what's that you know

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should we call this in and or are we

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okay and quick Russell said I don't know

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that is so he calls into the tower and

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says hey we're coming in for a landing

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and we see these lights you would be

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concerned and and they said well we're

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not catching anything on radar so he

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said ok they'll and he does report it as

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a UFO because he says you know he didn't

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know what they were so he determinate it

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was an unidentified so he does report it

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but they land he drops off his son he

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flies back to LA that's it he nor his

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son talked about it at all after that

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then one day and he doesn't say when I'm

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guessing this is recent because he

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hasn't shared this story before but he

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says Goldie Hawn was watching a TV show

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about UFOs and they were talking about

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the Phoenix lights this big incident of

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course on March 13th 1997 and they say

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that there was a general aviation pilot

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who was flying with his son who reported

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seeing the lights and that just

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triggered something he said he felt like

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Richard Dreyfuss that when he was

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watching the show he felt like I know

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something about this but I don't know

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why I know something about this why does

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this sound familiar

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and when they talked about the pilot he

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said it just clicked and said hey I

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think that was me

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00:23:57,610 --> 00:23:54,679
so it went to his flight logs to see and

544
00:24:00,190 --> 00:23:57,620
sure enough the flight was on the same

545
00:24:02,259 --> 00:24:00,200
time it's the Phoenix lights so he says

546
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:02,269
yeah I saw the Phoenix light it was

547
00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:04,730
unidentified and what's funny is he says

548
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:07,340
what he thinks it's what he feels is a

549
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:10,850
weirdest thing about this whole event is

550
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,809
that if he wouldn't have seen the show

551
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,120
he would have never thought about it he

552
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,039
said you know for some reason it went

553
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:21,200
out of his head that they had seen this

554
00:24:25,330 --> 00:24:23,570
UFO and reported it and he hadn't

555
00:24:26,019 --> 00:24:25,340
thought anything about it until he saw

556
00:24:27,879 --> 00:24:26,029
the show

557
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,889
isn't that something I've heard so many

558
00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:30,080
times where people have said something

559
00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:32,630
similar to that yeah a sighting just

560
00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:34,760
they forgot all about it until something

561
00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:37,460
jagd their memory mm-hmm yeah they see

562
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:39,980
something really weird and they just

563
00:24:43,570 --> 00:24:41,450
ignore it they're like wow that's really

564
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,580
weird what the hell is that and then

565
00:24:47,409 --> 00:24:45,200
they go on with their lives and don't

566
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:47,419
think twice about it now a listener and

567
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:48,770
of course I want to thank you out there

568
00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:50,809
listen to wherever you were that sent me

569
00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:52,190
that video I think

570
00:24:55,899 --> 00:24:54,830
a few weeks ago but I watched like it

571
00:24:57,549 --> 00:24:55,909
was one of those things where I watched

572
00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:57,559
like really late at night or in the

573
00:25:00,940 --> 00:24:58,610
middle of the night when I couldn't

574
00:25:02,590 --> 00:25:00,950
sleep or something and I forgot all

575
00:25:04,810 --> 00:25:02,600
about that until you brought it up the

576
00:25:06,909 --> 00:25:04,820
other day yeah this is this is great

577
00:25:08,409 --> 00:25:06,919
Kurt Russell so I don't know I really

578
00:25:12,009 --> 00:25:08,419
always liked him a lot he's the cool

579
00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:12,019
actor seems like a really nice guy even

580
00:25:16,539 --> 00:25:14,350
though you don't know him in person but

581
00:25:17,769 --> 00:25:16,549
just the interviews and things I've seen

582
00:25:21,940 --> 00:25:17,779
he just seems like a real down-to-earth

583
00:25:24,639 --> 00:25:21,950
type he does he seems really cool and I

584
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,649
love the story because um you know I'm

585
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,279
really close with my girlfriends uh

586
00:25:30,879 --> 00:25:29,840
daughters especially the the youngest is

587
00:25:34,210 --> 00:25:30,889
graduating tomorrow

588
00:25:36,430 --> 00:25:34,220
from high school and I so I understand I

589
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,440
feel similar and you know it's really

590
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:38,960
cool and it speaks to Kurt Russell that

591
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:42,049
um you know the that I guess Kate and

592
00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:45,110
Oliver Hudson regard him as their father

593
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:48,440
even though he isn't just because he's

594
00:25:53,019 --> 00:25:51,110
been there for them right to help raise

595
00:25:54,669 --> 00:25:53,029
them and everything so and even though

596
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:54,679
he and Goldie after all of these years

597
00:26:00,460 --> 00:25:58,129
have never gotten married so it's really

598
00:26:03,789 --> 00:26:00,470
cool and he is cool he seems like a cool

599
00:26:06,009 --> 00:26:03,799
guy and a great actor I've always loved

600
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,019
him too and he is really good in

601
00:26:11,379 --> 00:26:08,960
guardians of the galaxy to a great movie

602
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:11,389
if you haven't seen it I loved it and I

603
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:13,850
would say I liked the first one but I

604
00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:15,529
think I like this one a little more

605
00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:18,740
actually really well you know that's so

606
00:26:24,190 --> 00:26:21,320
unusual to like this second you know the

607
00:26:28,389 --> 00:26:24,200
second in it I know you know yeah

608
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:28,399
exactly and it is unusual but of course

609
00:26:33,070 --> 00:26:30,169
even though it's unusual it's it's

610
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:33,080
wonderful when that happens right hey

611
00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:34,250
judge you ever

612
00:26:38,409 --> 00:26:36,740
this is totally off subject but have you

613
00:26:40,539 --> 00:26:38,419
ever watched the movie overboard with

614
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:40,549
them two in it with Goldie Hawn and Kurt

615
00:26:45,369 --> 00:26:41,710
Russell

616
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:45,379
so funny yes great it's really funny I

617
00:26:51,369 --> 00:26:49,250
mean one of the lines from that really

618
00:26:53,649 --> 00:26:51,379
sticks in my head and I just think it's

619
00:26:55,779 --> 00:26:53,659
so hilarious for some stupid reason

620
00:26:57,789 --> 00:26:55,789
because it's a stupid scene it's when

621
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:57,799
the little kid like Goldie Hawn they

622
00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:02,000
drive her nuts and you know Kurt Russell

623
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:04,600
comes home and she's like catatonic and

624
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,690
the

625
00:27:10,690 --> 00:27:08,000
little kid goes I like it when she goes

626
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:10,700
bah bah bah bah bah bah bah I'd

627
00:27:14,889 --> 00:27:12,710
certainly remember that because I've

628
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:14,899
watched that movie so many times that's

629
00:27:21,249 --> 00:27:15,830
really funny

630
00:27:24,129 --> 00:27:21,259
yeah I'm pretty good yeah bah bah yeah

631
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,139
really funny yeah some all right well I

632
00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:26,960
know we went extra long 20 some odd

633
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:30,830
minutes was a half hour but you know I'm

634
00:27:36,369 --> 00:27:33,769
cool with that so good you have a good

635
00:27:38,919 --> 00:27:36,379
one and I'll be talking to you next week

636
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:38,929
all right you have a great one to talk

637
00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:39,710
to you next week

638
00:27:44,289 --> 00:27:42,379
all right Yvonne hang on for just one

639
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:44,299
minute after this quick music break and

640
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,610
you'll hear the phone ringing I'm going

641
00:28:05,960 --> 00:27:47,520
to be calling Don ledger

642
00:29:09,400 --> 00:28:29,360
[Music]

643
00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:11,810
hey hold on welcome to the show

644
00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:15,300
this is Martin Willis oh how are you how

645
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:18,300
you doing mark good good welcome you

646
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:20,460
were on my show god I think it was back

647
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:25,980
in 2012 maybe and but all of it was yeah

648
00:29:31,910 --> 00:29:28,980
now there's a lot of talk about there's

649
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:31,920
a lot of talk about shag harbour lately

650
00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:33,690
just because coming up you know mostly

651
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:36,180
because coming up on the 50th

652
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:41,340
anniversary if you you know and if you

653
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:44,970
could can you for the person there was a

654
00:29:48,980 --> 00:29:47,130
summit in our chat room now I do have a

655
00:29:52,670 --> 00:29:48,990
bunch of questions for you that came in

656
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:52,680
last week and so I'm going to be asking

657
00:29:57,380 --> 00:29:54,570
you about your questions but if you can

658
00:30:00,400 --> 00:29:57,390
give like a you know like a 10 or 15

659
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:00,410
minute nutshell of how the whole thing

660
00:30:04,460 --> 00:30:03,090
happened and how you got involved in it

661
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:04,470
actually as well I'd like to know that

662
00:30:11,390 --> 00:30:07,110
you're you don't live real far away from

663
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:11,400
there or do you do you live far away or

664
00:30:15,620 --> 00:30:14,100
three hour three hours okay that's

665
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:15,630
probably not really that far for up

666
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:19,530
there right yeah so if you can give kind

667
00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:21,690
of a nutshell of how of what transpired

668
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,280
back on October 4th 1967 and and then

669
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:27,840
you know further on like I said we have

670
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:29,220
a couple questions that branch out of

671
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:32,250
there as well that'll be coming up but

672
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:34,530
just if you go ahead and and talk about

673
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:38,610
that I'd be grateful yeah Martin where

674
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:40,650
you at obviously I'm in the state of

675
00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:44,580
Maine oh you're in Maine well you're

676
00:30:48,530 --> 00:30:47,070
across from us not notes oldest you know

677
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:48,540
Maine goes further north to Nova Scotia

678
00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:51,090
so do you know I didn't realize that

679
00:30:55,550 --> 00:30:53,190
true I think I have to do a lot of

680
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:55,560
driving I plan on getting to shag Harbor

681
00:31:00,680 --> 00:30:58,650
with the conference this year and I

682
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:00,690
think I've got a long long drive I

683
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:03,000
haven't mapped it out yet but I think

684
00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:04,740
I'd be on there's a ferry goes across

685
00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:06,990
but it's pretty well um someone told me

686
00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:08,790
the ferry doesn't run anymore but I'll

687
00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:12,270
check into that I think they'd think it

688
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:12,990
is

689
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:16,159
yeah all right yeah so let's hear about

690
00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:22,740
what happened back back in 1967 yeah you

691
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:24,270
want going to right now why not yeah

692
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:29,279
yeah okay excuse me and I seem to have a

693
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:30,600
lot of throat-clearing going on here

694
00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:36,570
doing October 4th 1967 and were there

695
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:39,390
was a portion of that night where there

696
00:31:44,659 --> 00:31:42,809
was quite a few UFO reports and all over

697
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:44,669
the southwestern part of Nova Scotia if

698
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,049
you look at your map there it sort of

699
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:49,039
looks like the tail end of a lobster and

700
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:52,529
with the fins and if you sort of take

701
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,919
that back end that enter that area down

702
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:58,799
there was maybe as many as 30 UFO

703
00:32:02,260 --> 00:32:00,120
sightings to different people not

704
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:02,270
nothing spectacular you know usually the

705
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:04,380
nocturnal lights lights and sky saw it

706
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,500
but um around 11:30 that night that's

707
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:10,620
when Laurie Wickens and Dave Kendrick

708
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:14,010
were there sorry Laurie Wickens and his

709
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:15,809
friends were coming back from Cape Sable

710
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:18,090
Island at a dance over there that's a

711
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,500
little island that's got a causeway

712
00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:21,720
going over to it's about 30 miles to the

713
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:23,880
northeast when they're in the car and

714
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:25,590
they noticed the string of lights in the

715
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:27,419
sky on the right hand side the car sort

716
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,880
of traveling along with them but passing

717
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:32,100
I figured it was up about a thousand

718
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:36,240
feet or so and finally as they were

719
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:37,860
getting closer to shag herb the thing

720
00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:39,690
started to curl around around the front

721
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:44,520
and made a beeline towards the water in

722
00:32:50,299 --> 00:32:47,940
the harbor towards the just past the the

723
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:50,309
western side of the harbor now they they

724
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:53,090
just had barely caught up with it and

725
00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:56,809
when it went behind a line of trees and

726
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,640
they they came around to bend over a

727
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:01,140
little hill there you'd see it yourself

728
00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:05,370
and get down there and it's um it opens

729
00:33:08,919 --> 00:33:06,990
up right onto the water there your raid

730
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:08,929
on the edge of the Atlantic Ocean saw

731
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:12,330
this at what used to be called the Irish

732
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:15,899
moss moss plant and his lost sight of it

733
00:33:19,399 --> 00:33:17,610
but one of the girls in the car thought

734
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,409
she heard a whooshing a bang anyway they

735
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:20,880
pulled over in a gravel parking lot

736
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:22,770
right on the water on the edge of the

737
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:24,120
water and they looked out and they could

738
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:25,270
see this

739
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:28,810
Derk our object hints though hence the

740
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:32,110
title of the book and with a pale yellow

741
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:35,050
late drifting on the water or under its

742
00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:37,690
own power sort of going away from the

743
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:39,220
shore at that point it was only about a

744
00:33:45,050 --> 00:33:42,430
hundred feet Oh which wasn't very far so

745
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:45,060
they they were a bit frightened little

746
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:49,210
puzzled by this lorry and in a male

747
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:51,670
friend his thought that maybe this was a

748
00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:55,570
crashed airplane drifting on water so

749
00:34:00,090 --> 00:33:57,160
they got it back in the car not of

750
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:00,100
course turn it 1967 of course no cell

751
00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:02,110
phones or anything like that they went a

752
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:03,430
little further down the road towards

753
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:05,260
woods Harbor which Sony maybe a mile

754
00:34:09,659 --> 00:34:08,409
away and stopped at a gas station down

755
00:34:12,419 --> 00:34:09,669
there where there was a payphone and

756
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:12,429
they called the RCMP back in Barrington

757
00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:15,010
passage was his on going way back up

758
00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:16,630
through shag harbour again way up to the

759
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,230
Northeast

760
00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:20,320
well at least another 15 miles anyway

761
00:34:24,659 --> 00:34:22,780
and into Barrington passage and got a

762
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:24,669
hold the detachment there of the RCMP

763
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:26,409
Royal Canadian Mounted Police detachment

764
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:30,250
and got a hold of corporal Victor

765
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,260
rebecky

766
00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:33,520
told him what they thought had happened

767
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:36,429
or lorry did anyway lorries about 17

768
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:39,190
going on 18 at this time and we're big

769
00:34:43,350 --> 00:34:41,649
he said don't he knew him have you been

770
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:43,360
drinking and a lawyer he said no it was

771
00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:44,770
kind of ticked off about that

772
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:46,750
well I mean drinking he says well you

773
00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:48,130
know I think it airplanes crashed out

774
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:50,830
there so Rebecca's phone started ringing

775
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:52,750
and he said look give me the phone

776
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:55,270
number there are no get back to you he

777
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:57,610
says my phone's ringing so when he

778
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,290
answered his phone he had about four or

779
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:00,880
five more calls from people saying they

780
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,140
thought they saw it looked like a

781
00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:04,240
lighter an airplane lighter and it went

782
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:05,470
down towards the water looked like the

783
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:09,310
crash in che Harbor and after what the

784
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:10,810
third call after that he was really

785
00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:12,430
taken as seriously got back to the lorry

786
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:14,380
and told him to get back in the car and

787
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:16,300
go back up the Irish moss plant and keep

788
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:17,650
an eye on this thing until they could

789
00:35:23,340 --> 00:35:20,110
get there so in the meantime another

790
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:23,350
couple of young fellows there were also

791
00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:25,900
coming back from the same dance and norm

792
00:35:30,690 --> 00:35:28,900
Smith and Dave Kendrick if you have my

793
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:30,700
book maritime UFO FILES there's a

794
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:31,900
picture on the front that's Dave

795
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:34,090
Kendrick now Dave was driving the car

796
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:36,010
and his friend Normie was on the

797
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:37,300
right-hand side and they saw basically

798
00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:38,460
the same thing

799
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:41,550
a little maybe a hair after or just

800
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:45,180
before it's uncertain and but they

801
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,210
didn't go any further than norms

802
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:51,359
misplace which was just in at the edge

803
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:52,920
of Shake Harbor on the opposite side

804
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,420
from where the object going in and Dave

805
00:36:00,980 --> 00:35:59,520
Kendrick drove home told his mother boat

806
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:00,990
and then went to bed that was the end is

807
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:04,440
his a participation at that during that

808
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:05,940
evening

809
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:08,730
no I'm Smith told his father about it

810
00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:10,770
when his uncle lived on the other end of

811
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:13,230
the of this duplex type house that that

812
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,880
was there and he went outside to the

813
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:20,640
show to him and they saw the police cars

814
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:23,369
going down two mounted cars going down

815
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:26,310
heading in towards the direction of

816
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:28,020
where the object might have gone now so

817
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,520
they figured something was up they go

818
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:31,500
down and give a hand now I'm preaching

819
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:34,730
here you know this is routine trim very

820
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:38,190
african-american yeah and so they ended

821
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:40,050
up getting down there and when they got

822
00:36:46,099 --> 00:36:41,520
there the Mounties were there three

823
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:46,109
mounted remounting cars and I probably

824
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:49,770
about all told maybe 18 to 24 people

825
00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:51,960
seems to be the best estimate I could

826
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,790
get over the years standing around

827
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:55,380
watching this thing out on the water the

828
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:57,690
Mounties for watching it Laurie Wickens

829
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,540
and his crew were there Norma's myth

830
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:03,599
course was there with his uncle and they

831
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,099
saw this thing drifting out on the water

832
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,440
still either under its own speed or

833
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:09,300
drifting with the tide the tide was

834
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:13,770
ebbing and so now October night was was

835
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:17,010
cool but it was a clear night and no

836
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:22,440
moon so the corporal rebecky decided he

837
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:23,640
wanted to get a search party together

838
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:25,770
they'd consider taking a dory oak that

839
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:27,930
was tied up alongside of the Irish moss

840
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:32,339
plant but that's a boat and most of the

841
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,750
fishermen around here used to carry them

842
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:36,480
in on their their larger motor driven

843
00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:38,760
fishing boats as a as a safety item

844
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:41,070
already just to work off the side but

845
00:37:46,820 --> 00:37:43,770
anyway then they figured well there was

846
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:46,830
a bit of a law pond maybe they it was a

847
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:49,530
little too dangerous so rebecky decided

848
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:51,970
he was going to go to a house just

849
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:55,330
way up the road and call some of the

850
00:37:58,740 --> 00:37:57,370
fishermen that he knew see if he got one

851
00:38:02,160 --> 00:37:58,750
of them to take their boat oh they won't

852
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:02,170
have a see if they could help out just

853
00:38:08,910 --> 00:38:06,460
as he was about to leave the the object

854
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:08,920
seemed to sink it looked like it sank

855
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:10,810
and what they had seen out there was

856
00:38:15,330 --> 00:38:13,690
this dark Lin shaped object sort of

857
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:15,340
either sitting on the water or slightly

858
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:17,410
above it with again with the pale yellow

859
00:38:21,690 --> 00:38:19,930
light on it just glowing everybody

860
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:21,700
there's and all the fishermen have all

861
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:23,970
said no no no there was no there's no

862
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,220
there wasn't any buoy or any kind of a

863
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:28,720
lighthouse or anything out there that

864
00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:31,570
would give that effect and they you know

865
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:32,980
they know the water at the back of her

866
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,000
hand there so Rebecca had done the tool

867
00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:40,240
blinds are the - Brian - ones I should

868
00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:43,360
say ron o'brien and one pond

869
00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:45,400
lawn pond was the rookie he was left

870
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:48,040
there to take a take down testimony from

871
00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:52,090
the other people and ronald ryan and who

872
00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:54,040
had been also sent off to another house

873
00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:55,660
to make a call to the Rescue

874
00:38:59,790 --> 00:38:57,550
Coordination Center in Halifax Cedars

875
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,800
you know it had an airplane crash or

876
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,680
anything there any aircraft were missing

877
00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:04,240
so anyway those two eventually ended up

878
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:06,220
going back up along with some of the

879
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:07,630
people from the site and they went to

880
00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:10,660
joined up a two fisherman that Vicki had

881
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,200
scared up down at the government Wharf

882
00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:16,720
in shag harbour and they got on the

883
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:18,820
boats went up to the Western approach to

884
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:23,290
where this thing would might be and they

885
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:25,330
crossed the water it went about a mile

886
00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:27,610
of water to cross between the Western

887
00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:29,740
approach in odor odor Island or bomb

888
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:34,030
potage Island and trying to find this

889
00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:36,100
thing which of course had already

890
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:39,100
submerged apparently on the way they ran

891
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:43,980
across a slick of of the yellow covered

892
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:47,080
foam look like shaving cream about four

893
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:47,890
inches thick

894
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:50,050
now the people in the area and most

895
00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:51,310
people who live around the ocean around

896
00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:53,020
here in Nova Scotia know what sea foam

897
00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:55,000
is to see it all the time when you're at

898
00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:57,400
the edge of the water but they everybody

899
00:40:00,540 --> 00:39:58,990
said now this is an anything like sea

900
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:00,550
foam little more like shaving cream or

901
00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:02,110
whipped cream sitting on the waters go

902
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:03,670
four inches thick and very even and

903
00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:05,430
there was a boat

904
00:40:12,260 --> 00:40:08,780
a half a mile of it strung up going down

905
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:12,270
down this swath right here the UFO would

906
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:14,460
been and it was it was about 80 feet

907
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:16,770
wide just going by the lengths of the

908
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:17,970
boats and it was booked to boat

909
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:20,730
lengthwise so they cruised around in

910
00:40:24,170 --> 00:40:22,170
this stuff they didn't like the idea of

911
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:24,180
being in there and just in the general

912
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,980
area looking for survivors because they

913
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:27,359
really did think it was an airplane

914
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,980
crash they thought that the phone might

915
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,720
have come from some kind of mixture

916
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:32,579
gasoline and saltwater they didn't know

917
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:39,450
what it was in the meantime the Coast

918
00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:41,130
Guard had been well I've been called

919
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,230
over in Clark's Island Clark's Harbor

920
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:45,780
over in the Cape Sable Island and they

921
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,609
sent a boat over it took about an hour

922
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:49,200
to get there because 13 miles away

923
00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:52,920
nanoni did about 10 or 11 knots and when

924
00:40:56,809 --> 00:40:54,990
they showed up they asked to talk to Ron

925
00:40:58,819 --> 00:40:56,819
O'Brien who was the on-scene commander

926
00:41:04,130 --> 00:40:58,829
now and they told him because he's the

927
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,140
one that called the the Coast Guard in

928
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:06,540
the first place over and up in Halifax

929
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:08,220
and they said that there was nothing

930
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:09,780
missing there was no planes missing from

931
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:11,849
up and down the coast down in the East

932
00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:13,619
Coast of the United States or in Nova

933
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:16,190
Scotia or up up the east coast of Canada

934
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:18,450
nothing was missing so they were

935
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:20,990
wondering then what are they looking for

936
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:23,369
they searched through the night great up

937
00:41:27,859 --> 00:41:24,900
told some some of them two and three

938
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:27,869
o'clock in the morning and the first two

939
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,630
oak boats out they decided they better

940
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:31,980
get some sleep because they hadn't slept

941
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:34,410
since 3 o'clock in the morning before

942
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:36,900
and it was pretty late now but by this

943
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,520
time there was about six fishing boats

944
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:40,380
out there helping oak plus the coast a

945
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:42,470
Coast Guard Cutter as they called it

946
00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:45,450
lifeboat I'm with Ronnie Newell as the

947
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:46,920
kit has the skipper on that and they

948
00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:49,260
they continued to search and the search

949
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:51,270
carried on for you know the next day

950
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:53,730
anyway as he cruised back and forth by

951
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:55,619
Friday because when this thing happened

952
00:41:59,720 --> 00:41:57,720
it was happening at 25 after 11:00 in

953
00:42:01,760 --> 00:41:59,730
the evening on the fourth and we quickly

954
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:01,770
went into the fifth on the sixth on

955
00:42:09,289 --> 00:42:06,049
Friday the Navy by this time had just

956
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:09,299
has sent down some divers by a

957
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,450
helicopter and and on a Deuce and a half

958
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:15,180
which was you know a military vehicle on

959
00:42:17,980 --> 00:42:16,310
all their equipment and so on

960
00:42:19,090 --> 00:42:17,990
but on some of the boats there and they

961
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:19,100
went out and they Dover in the water

962
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:20,750
starting around one o'clock in the

963
00:42:24,130 --> 00:42:22,760
afternoon and went to about 6:00 that

964
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:24,140
night they came out of the water said

965
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,730
they couldn't find anything what are

966
00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:27,200
there is only about 80 feet deep and

967
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:35,150
pretty clear and the so they wanted and

968
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,830
then again still what's going on here

969
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:38,720
wonder what were we looking at you know

970
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,690
and they didn't know nobody could say

971
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:43,280
nobody could tell them what has happened

972
00:42:47,050 --> 00:42:45,140
and of course as we know it went on a

973
00:42:49,930 --> 00:42:47,060
little further after that but this

974
00:42:53,470 --> 00:42:49,940
there's no secret about this portion of

975
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,480
the of the action if you want to call it

976
00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:55,760
that of the event because it was in the

977
00:43:00,850 --> 00:42:58,550
newspapers The Chronicle Herald was a

978
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:00,860
huge newspaper in eastern Canada

979
00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:03,110
probably still is but it's not not as

980
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:04,790
big as newspapers used to be back in

981
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:07,280
their day and it had you know 2-inch

982
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:09,290
banner read headlines saying you know

983
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:12,170
maybe something you were UFO crash and

984
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:14,570
shag harbour rcaf Royal Canadian Air

985
00:43:20,290 --> 00:43:18,890
Force at the time so um not much

986
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:20,300
happened after that the rest of the

987
00:43:24,490 --> 00:43:22,730
story didn't develop until maybe almost

988
00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:24,500
20-some years later when crystal

989
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,270
stumbled on a guy who had a story to

990
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:28,880
tell and by that time I was involved and

991
00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:31,640
got involved shortly after with Chris

992
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:34,040
and we started look further into this

993
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:36,020
case so the rest you know if you read

994
00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:38,390
the book yeah yep so I'll ask you some

995
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:40,340
questions along the way here

996
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:43,970
first of all did anyone take samples of

997
00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:50,720
that yellow foam at all no and nobody

998
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,720
had any reason to at the time but there

999
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,760
is a letter one of the letters that said

1000
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,920
it's too ashamed somebody who a margin

1001
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,560
note I believe it was saying was ashamed

1002
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:02,480
somebody didn't think to take a control

1003
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:03,890
bucket over the side and take a sample

1004
00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:10,610
but norm Smith now if I recall it was

1005
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:12,470
supposed to put his arms over the side

1006
00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:14,030
and tried to lift some of the stuff out

1007
00:44:17,980 --> 00:44:15,380
of the water wouldn't come up his arms

1008
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,990
came up wet Ron O'Brien told me later on

1009
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:20,720
that whoever he didn't know the name of

1010
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:21,770
the fisherman at the time because

1011
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:23,860
there's maybe six or seven on each boat

1012
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:28,640
young fellas he said he said a rub his

1013
00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:29,410
arm and

1014
00:44:33,390 --> 00:44:31,630
that his arm to see what was on there

1015
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:33,400
but it just looked like it was wet they

1016
00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:35,080
didn't seem to me any odor anything to

1017
00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:37,000
it although in general there was an odor

1018
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:39,100
on the water it's sort of like sulfur a

1019
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:42,730
salty smell Wow yeah well that would

1020
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:44,260
kind of make sense with the the yellow

1021
00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:49,450
and do you think that when it landed

1022
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:51,550
like I heard you say around 800 feet out

1023
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:56,140
do you think that it quickly sort it

1024
00:45:00,750 --> 00:44:57,880
we'll talk about it later where it goes

1025
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:00,760
up to toward government point up there

1026
00:45:07,110 --> 00:45:03,820
but do you think it come right away

1027
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:07,120
kind of moved away sort of toward that

1028
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:12,010
direction or somewhere well in order for

1029
00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:14,230
it to get away from shag Harbor in

1030
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:16,120
between odor Island and shaker if you

1031
00:45:18,780 --> 00:45:17,200
look because you're almost on the

1032
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:18,790
shoulder of Nova Scotia which turning

1033
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:20,350
around to go into the Gulf and aim there

1034
00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:24,400
and it would have had to get out of that

1035
00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:25,960
area and then make a bend to the left

1036
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,580
and go up the coast to get up to

1037
00:45:31,890 --> 00:45:28,960
Shelburne

1038
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:31,900
like I said you know is by the time the

1039
00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:33,310
Mounties were there and everybody was

1040
00:45:36,030 --> 00:45:34,300
standing there and the thing went

1041
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:36,040
underwater was consider it was a

1042
00:45:41,580 --> 00:45:38,410
considerably further distance out on the

1043
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:41,590
water then then when Laurie Wickens

1044
00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:44,230
first in his French first saw it land on

1045
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:47,830
the water and although people at the

1046
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:50,800
time thought it was a crash it seems to

1047
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:52,840
be more apparent at least to me anyway

1048
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:54,550
that this was some kind of a control

1049
00:45:59,730 --> 00:45:56,170
landing under the water for whatever

1050
00:46:02,190 --> 00:45:59,740
reason right now of what and what part

1051
00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:02,200
of this whole event

1052
00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:05,140
did it change from a possible airplane

1053
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:13,560
well you know the air force your desk in

1054
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,490
Ottawa that was Squadron Leader vanes

1055
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:17,680
had taken the first call on this thing

1056
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:19,030
and lined up the Rescue Coordination

1057
00:46:23,580 --> 00:46:21,310
Center in Halifax and the assets and

1058
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:23,590
maritime command you know the Navy the

1059
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:25,570
whole nine yards and got them all put

1060
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:29,170
together it was actually the Navy

1061
00:46:36,510 --> 00:46:32,080
I'm sorry the Air Force a document that

1062
00:46:39,690 --> 00:46:36,520
has UFO underlined it's a 1-2-3

1063
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:39,700
underneath marked on the on the document

1064
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:43,030
and it's squadron leaders name is above

1065
00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:46,810
and then they started calling it the

1066
00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:48,820
dark object and then there was UFO and

1067
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:52,180
one of one of the documents so nobody in

1068
00:46:55,770 --> 00:46:53,770
the area would have thought probably

1069
00:46:57,570 --> 00:46:55,780
even thought to call it a UFO I don't

1070
00:47:00,660 --> 00:46:57,580
even think they'd really experience much

1071
00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:00,670
in that area before shag Harbor you know

1072
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:01,720
they might have might have heard about

1073
00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:03,910
it on TV or something that you had time

1074
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:05,100
but it's not the kind of thing that

1075
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:07,660
they'd sort of you know get involved

1076
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:09,850
with or know anything about maybe ghost

1077
00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:11,890
stories down in that area but not so

1078
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:15,400
much about UFOs right so if it went to

1079
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,910
UFO went because the the media made it

1080
00:47:25,170 --> 00:47:21,280
that way but first of all it was the was

1081
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:25,180
the air force that brought up the the

1082
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:27,820
idea of a UFO but again it was an

1083
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:29,980
unidentified flying object so it's not

1084
00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:31,510
like they're making out anything to be

1085
00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:35,020
an alien object although this thing

1086
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:37,360
certainly has all all the stink on it

1087
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:41,770
for an alien object but there there you

1088
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:43,150
go that's that's what I have for you

1089
00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:45,490
right now I have my own personal ideas

1090
00:47:50,610 --> 00:47:47,470
or later on maybe but I haven't probably

1091
00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:50,620
developed them yet oh okay yeah yeah I

1092
00:47:55,530 --> 00:47:52,840
know it kind of gives the UFO a bad name

1093
00:47:58,830 --> 00:47:55,540
and that's why a lot of people are using

1094
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,840
UAP because people automatically think

1095
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:00,400
oh you know you're calling it an alien

1096
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:03,210
but really the term UFO just means

1097
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:05,260
unidentified flying object and that's

1098
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:07,180
really all it does mean

1099
00:48:13,590 --> 00:48:11,170
and I remember Senate however you say

1100
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:13,600
his name you know took a lot of grief

1101
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:16,090
and he said well it was an unidentified

1102
00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:18,450
flying object object that was during the

1103
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:21,580
2008 campaign here in the States

1104
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:28,570
a politician know so one of the things I

1105
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:32,620
thought of is what kind of a myths are

1106
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:35,380
out there that you would like to squash

1107
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:38,050
in other words up other some stories out

1108
00:48:43,070 --> 00:48:39,700
there that are untrue that are told

1109
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:49,260
um such as I yeah you know I just I just

1110
00:48:54,450 --> 00:48:51,970
wondered if you if you have heard things

1111
00:48:56,730 --> 00:48:54,460
over the years that you think that you

1112
00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:56,740
know that aren't true that people have

1113
00:49:00,570 --> 00:48:57,940
and the reason I'm bringing this up

1114
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,580
because that happens with big cases like

1115
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:03,760
Roswell or Phoenix lights you know

1116
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,430
there's always some side stories that

1117
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:08,800
are not you know not accurate at all

1118
00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:11,560
that kind of gets spread by SayIt ABLOY

1119
00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:13,000
soar something is there anything like

1120
00:49:21,090 --> 00:49:18,600
that with shag harbour um well I'm

1121
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:21,100
actually you know I I don't ever

1122
00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:23,020
actually recall seeing anything where it

1123
00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:26,080
was egregiously off the off the mark I

1124
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:28,060
mean there's been some conjecture around

1125
00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:29,890
you know the very first office

1126
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,500
off-the-cuff remarks by some of the

1127
00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:34,720
people all was some fishermen shooting

1128
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:37,360
around flares which was nonsense of

1129
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:41,710
course you know and and one of the other

1130
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,880
ones was a some kind of a sonar buoy or

1131
00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:47,680
something show that came up at one of

1132
00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:50,200
the conferences we head down was

1133
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:52,540
actually more like a talk we gave down

1134
00:49:56,070 --> 00:49:54,040
and shaker every years ago at the

1135
00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:56,080
elementary school that's right next to

1136
00:49:59,970 --> 00:49:58,510
the water where this occurred and I

1137
00:50:03,090 --> 00:49:59,980
would you know had a gymnasium big

1138
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:03,100
gymnasium of 300 people here I guess and

1139
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:04,750
this one guy jumped up and said you know

1140
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:07,420
he said he'd found a sonar buoy on the

1141
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:10,690
shore and he thought was that's what

1142
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:12,310
they'd seen floating in the water well

1143
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:13,930
you know it strangely enough when I was

1144
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:15,910
a kid around 13 years old we used to go

1145
00:50:18,990 --> 00:50:17,260
down to the dump

1146
00:50:20,730 --> 00:50:19,000
there was a junkyard that's man's

1147
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:20,740
junkyard where we used to be able to

1148
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,090
down there and pick up all kinds of odds

1149
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:24,400
and ends hope you had paid for them but

1150
00:50:29,790 --> 00:50:26,950
what they did have was a because

1151
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:29,800
hellofax is a military you know Naval

1152
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:31,450
Base Air Force Base and everything else

1153
00:50:36,690 --> 00:50:34,030
here they used to drop Soniya buoys

1154
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:36,700
whenever practicing or even tracking

1155
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:40,390
subs in the ODE on the Atlantic and the

1156
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:42,609
use once or some of the old ones they

1157
00:50:46,859 --> 00:50:44,890
just get rid of them and we could buy

1158
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,869
them for 75 cents I had four or five of

1159
00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:48,640
them at the time these things are three

1160
00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:51,340
feet long maybe about eight inches in

1161
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:53,260
diameter with a little tiny little amber

1162
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:55,930
yellow light on it that was not meant to

1163
00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:57,609
be seen over a great distance it was

1164
00:51:00,810 --> 00:50:59,170
meant to be seen from here you know from

1165
00:51:02,670 --> 00:51:00,820
the aircraft that dropped it just to

1166
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:02,680
keep track of the thing and then after a

1167
00:51:05,849 --> 00:51:04,510
while the certain little plugs would

1168
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:05,859
dissolve and the thing would sink to the

1169
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:07,770
bottom after its usefulness was over

1170
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:10,980
but I mean there's no way anybody would

1171
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:13,500
mistake this and you know 18 to 24

1172
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:14,850
people would stand around including

1173
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,010
three months and look coded this tiny

1174
00:51:21,530 --> 00:51:18,960
little light they could even see from

1175
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:21,540
you know probably more than 100 feet

1176
00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:23,460
away and claim the devil

1177
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:26,760
an anomaly you know and certainly wasn't

1178
00:51:29,810 --> 00:51:28,260
what the people see you know the the

1179
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:29,820
witnesses saw coming down out of the sky

1180
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:31,610
which was four three and four and five

1181
00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:34,140
sequentially flashing lights in a line

1182
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,270
that's probably the the one that annoyed

1183
00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:41,040
me more than anything but I've never

1184
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:42,630
really heard anybody come up with any

1185
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:44,730
kind of an off-the-wall off-the-wall

1186
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:47,010
story about what actually happened in

1187
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:48,570
shag harbour you're going to get the

1188
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:50,370
usual thing well we you know what it was

1189
00:51:54,590 --> 00:51:51,810
it was probably a secret military

1190
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,600
aircraft that's the other one I've been

1191
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:56,400
a pilot for 34 years but I've been

1192
00:52:02,420 --> 00:51:59,880
a-near and I'm an aviation writer I'm a

1193
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,430
journalist I write about aviation and

1194
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,500
I've been doing that for ten years solid

1195
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:06,180
I was doing a regular column for ten

1196
00:52:11,570 --> 00:52:08,250
years for Canadian magazine that's

1197
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:11,580
aviation and a deal and all of that

1198
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:13,170
you know all kinds of different aircraft

1199
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,030
types of aircraft I know what's up there

1200
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,240
flying and we didn't have we didn't have

1201
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:19,920
it in the Second World War we didn't

1202
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:22,110
have it after the Second World War was

1203
00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:25,110
over with Kenneth Arnold and and he had

1204
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:26,790
you know Roswell in some of these other

1205
00:52:30,050 --> 00:52:28,740
places and we don't know at least of

1206
00:52:32,540 --> 00:52:30,060
course we had some now we have some

1207
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,550
stealth aircraft but I mean there we

1208
00:52:37,610 --> 00:52:35,280
know what they are there's only 19 of

1209
00:52:40,490 --> 00:52:37,620
those stealth bombers two of them

1210
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,500
already crashed and in the old stealth

1211
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:42,000
fighter well that's a joke anyway those

1212
00:52:47,530 --> 00:52:43,770
things weren't even supersonic for god

1213
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:47,540
sakes but I mean those kind of

1214
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:50,310
explanations is giving as a it's their

1215
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:52,890
their secret military aircraft that's

1216
00:52:58,070 --> 00:52:56,370
what they are well I mean they thought

1217
00:52:59,540 --> 00:52:58,080
that's what they were back at the end of

1218
00:53:01,790 --> 00:52:59,550
the Second World War they thought that's

1219
00:53:03,380 --> 00:53:01,800
what it was during the during the war in

1220
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:03,390
the first world or the Second World War

1221
00:53:10,850 --> 00:53:06,900
but nothing that was ever ever ever able

1222
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:10,860
to be proved you know and there just

1223
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:12,420
wasn't anything around that could match

1224
00:53:15,740 --> 00:53:14,070
what these things could do or the size

1225
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:15,750
of them in some cases you know even

1226
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,430
during the Second World War some of

1227
00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:19,200
these objects were recorded as being

1228
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:21,460
eight hundred or thousand feet long

1229
00:53:28,829 --> 00:53:25,089
one was a half-mile and in length you

1230
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:28,839
know but um those but unfortunately with

1231
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:30,430
the shaker burr incident I haven't seen

1232
00:53:35,549 --> 00:53:32,290
very much I don't think I've seen

1233
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:35,559
anything where they've actually tried to

1234
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:37,690
make up another story surrounding it you

1235
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:39,010
know saying this is what happened you

1236
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,510
know never once you you know space as

1237
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:46,559
they call him nowadays species yes

1238
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:48,670
crawling around the area even though

1239
00:53:54,329 --> 00:53:51,730
there was a allusion to it but by you

1240
00:53:57,089 --> 00:53:54,339
know some of the witnesses on the other

1241
00:53:58,829 --> 00:53:57,099
end of this thing up at government point

1242
00:54:02,010 --> 00:53:58,839
oh yes yeah I want to talk about that in

1243
00:54:04,859 --> 00:54:02,020
a little bit going back to the yellow

1244
00:54:07,799 --> 00:54:04,869
foam one more time did that make up

1245
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:07,809
before dissipated was that kind of

1246
00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:10,540
almost like a strip like could that

1247
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:12,760
possibly have been a trail of the

1248
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:16,960
direction that the say if it was a USL

1249
00:54:22,849 --> 00:54:19,540
underwater moving could that have been a

1250
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:22,859
trail of that that could have left

1251
00:54:29,180 --> 00:54:26,770
well that's conjecture now but probably

1252
00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:29,190
pretty good one I you know that's that

1253
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:31,960
it's it's associated with it because

1254
00:54:36,089 --> 00:54:34,630
nobody knew what it was and nobody knew

1255
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:36,099
what the other thing was she sort of put

1256
00:54:41,819 --> 00:54:37,599
the two unknowns together and come up

1257
00:54:43,770 --> 00:54:41,829
with a one big unknown and that is

1258
00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:43,780
pretty much to thinking you know that

1259
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:45,940
whatever this was it was a byproduct of

1260
00:54:49,799 --> 00:54:47,770
what you know this object that had gone

1261
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:49,809
into onto the water and then went under

1262
00:54:55,799 --> 00:54:52,799
the water and I can't refute it

1263
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:55,809
considering the fishermen that I talked

1264
00:55:03,930 --> 00:54:57,220
to that were involved well you know

1265
00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:03,940
norms Nathan for one the I'm trying to

1266
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:05,380
think one of the other guys I talked to

1267
00:55:09,329 --> 00:55:07,480
also saw that you know they thought when

1268
00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:09,339
they went out there but they couldn't

1269
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:10,630
they didn't know what to make of it they

1270
00:55:16,829 --> 00:55:13,650
said you know just definitely was not

1271
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:16,839
was not sea foam you know which is

1272
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:18,910
patchy to begin with and it was it was

1273
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:21,220
about a half-mile long by about 80 feet

1274
00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:24,130
wide a strip of it and eighty feet is

1275
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:26,500
not much longer than 60 60 feet wide you

1276
00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:28,089
know and maybe you know just spread out

1277
00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:30,190
a bit or whatever who knows I can't say

1278
00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:31,540
for sure that it came from this thing

1279
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:35,260
but you know it it sort of has a

1280
00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:36,910
you know all the earmarks had maybe

1281
00:55:40,530 --> 00:55:38,440
being some kind of eye product or

1282
00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:40,540
whatever this thing was or whatever it

1283
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:43,300
was doing but whatever it was it didn't

1284
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:45,730
seem to harm anybody it didn't dissipate

1285
00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:48,610
it as you mentioned and and that was the

1286
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:50,470
end of it it was unfortunately somebody

1287
00:55:55,110 --> 00:55:52,330
didn't try to take a sample of it and

1288
00:55:56,940 --> 00:55:55,120
you know seal it off and then maybe have

1289
00:55:59,880 --> 00:55:56,950
it examined later might have come

1290
00:56:01,890 --> 00:55:59,890
something okay what about you know some

1291
00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:01,900
people well I don't even know if they

1292
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:04,360
had Chinese lanterns at the time but you

1293
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:06,270
mentioned that someone mentioned flares

1294
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:10,480
was that is that an ongoing thing that

1295
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:12,970
people are actually saying it was or is

1296
00:56:18,090 --> 00:56:15,850
that just what now somebody mentioned it

1297
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:18,100
at the time and then one of the reports

1298
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:19,210
said that it might have been some

1299
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:22,510
fishermen shooting some flares off and

1300
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:25,330
it just make a nice room you know then

1301
00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:27,100
when they wrote on the water not there

1302
00:56:32,010 --> 00:56:29,350
was no in the only light was a pale

1303
00:56:34,110 --> 00:56:32,020
yellow light on the object as for calm

1304
00:56:36,090 --> 00:56:34,120
then driving along highway number three

1305
00:56:39,540 --> 00:56:36,100
inland who was shooting Claire's inland

1306
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:39,550
and it just you know I'm familiar with

1307
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:40,810
flares up you know I've been around

1308
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,170
those things all my life and okay part

1309
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:45,760
of my family were fishermen to begin

1310
00:56:50,430 --> 00:56:46,930
with you know particularly when I was

1311
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,440
younger for for one thing if they had

1312
00:56:54,270 --> 00:56:51,760
them they'd use them on the boat they

1313
00:56:55,950 --> 00:56:54,280
were just and this is a weak one but I

1314
00:56:57,390 --> 00:56:55,960
mean they're just going to fire these

1315
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,400
things off for the sake of firing them

1316
00:57:04,110 --> 00:56:58,720
off because we had to pay money right

1317
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,120
and it's there just a flare goes up arcs

1318
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:06,160
over comes back down burns out on this

1319
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:07,810
way down that's pretty much what it does

1320
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:10,870
and they're red you know and there's

1321
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:13,030
just no relationship to what what the

1322
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:15,130
witnesses said and not we often find

1323
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:17,170
that in ufology you know I hate that

1324
00:57:23,730 --> 00:57:21,730
word but there's go that people try to I

1325
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:23,740
watched one of those programs in

1326
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:25,930
national community and I do opposed to

1327
00:57:31,110 --> 00:57:28,930
classified and they had a an astronomer

1328
00:57:32,610 --> 00:57:31,120
from Toronto from Toronto York

1329
00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:32,620
University I think it was on there

1330
00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:35,560
talking about you know what he thought

1331
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:38,190
people were seeing well he had no

1332
00:57:43,290 --> 00:57:41,110
conception of what the reports say or

1333
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,300
you know what we've dealt with you know

1334
00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:45,040
delved into over the years and I'm not

1335
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:46,780
talking about Shea Gerber I'm just

1336
00:57:50,849 --> 00:57:48,970
talking in general that you know these

1337
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:50,859
are talking about Venus and Saturn you

1338
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:54,040
know and and Jupiter in the moon and all

1339
00:57:59,940 --> 00:57:56,320
this is plain foolishness you know they

1340
00:58:01,650 --> 00:57:59,950
just don't match into what the witness

1341
00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:01,660
is saying and you see that quite often

1342
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:03,940
and it is quite annoying actually

1343
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:06,490
and these people are taking this experts

1344
00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:08,380
when they're really not in that area I I

1345
00:58:13,830 --> 00:58:10,270
have talked about that a number of times

1346
00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:13,840
in the show where you know the the story

1347
00:58:23,730 --> 00:58:18,300
that you know the explanation that has

1348
00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:23,740
been produced is so far off from and

1349
00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:26,320
there was another Jordan Bonaparte

1350
00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:28,840
talked about this other major case and

1351
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:35,140
it was a 1970s where someone said it was

1352
00:58:39,810 --> 00:58:37,090
Venus or something and it has you know

1353
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:39,820
how could Venus move and turn and have

1354
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:41,890
flashing lights and you know just so far

1355
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:45,040
off it's kind of well they they have

1356
00:58:48,450 --> 00:58:46,930
tried to attribute Auto Kinesis to that

1357
00:58:50,849 --> 00:58:48,460
you know the eyeballs one is picked

1358
00:58:52,589 --> 00:58:50,859
fixed on a oh yeah and the night sky and

1359
00:58:54,690 --> 00:58:52,599
on a point of light that your eyeball

1360
00:58:56,490 --> 00:58:54,700
actually twitches around tests know but

1361
00:59:01,320 --> 00:58:56,500
these things we're doing you know well

1362
00:59:05,490 --> 00:59:01,330
yeah now was at the time of shag Harbor

1363
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:05,500
was there any type of UFO flap in in

1364
00:59:11,339 --> 00:59:09,849
that area at all well that's the one I

1365
00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:11,349
was talking about that no yeah but I

1366
00:59:17,730 --> 00:59:14,800
mean oh I mean you know before and after

1367
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:17,740
was there other UFO seen before and

1368
00:59:24,359 --> 00:59:21,910
after that that well yeah but no I

1369
00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:24,369
wouldn't say it's a flap you know flaps

1370
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:26,380
are pretty intense they go on for you

1371
00:59:31,070 --> 00:59:28,030
know a month or two months maybe a whole

1372
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:31,080
year and we've had them in this area but

1373
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:34,210
it but they seem to run generally anyway

1374
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:36,170
and just a

1375
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:39,920
in saying North America agency you know

1376
00:59:44,110 --> 00:59:41,510
a flap and then there might be one over

1377
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,120
around New York you know it's strange to

1378
00:59:47,620 --> 00:59:46,160
think that one of the things we had to

1379
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:47,630
contend with years ago was after the

1380
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:48,890
movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind

1381
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,260
came out years after that the naysayers

1382
00:59:58,090 --> 00:59:56,240
would say well you know what that was

1383
00:59:59,770 --> 00:59:58,100
all about all these UFOs that people are

1384
01:00:02,110 --> 00:59:59,780
saying they saw the movie and now

1385
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:02,120
everybody's seen UFOs but in fact that

1386
01:00:05,050 --> 01:00:02,960
was not true

1387
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,060
the reports of unidentified flying

1388
01:00:10,180 --> 01:00:08,000
objects one went down after the movie

1389
01:00:11,380 --> 01:00:10,190
came by thought and you know what more

1390
01:00:12,790 --> 01:00:11,390
people were going to probably outside

1391
01:00:18,250 --> 01:00:12,800
looking at the sky than there were

1392
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:18,260
before but yet they saw less UFOs in in

1393
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:20,810
that general time frame than they had

1394
01:00:27,340 --> 01:00:24,910
before so well yeah there goes that one

1395
01:00:30,610 --> 01:00:27,350
here's a question that came into our

1396
01:00:34,330 --> 01:00:30,620
forum do you think shag Harbor incident

1397
01:00:36,820 --> 01:00:34,340
was an actual crash or that the object

1398
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:36,830
instead landed gently on the water and

1399
01:00:45,340 --> 01:00:43,370
then intentionally submerged I think it

1400
01:00:47,050 --> 01:00:45,350
landed gently on the water and intensely

1401
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,060
submerged I don't know I did it so

1402
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,280
dramatically by coming down the highway

1403
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,960
as it did but maybe it was making an

1404
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:52,880
approach I don't know I mean we all do

1405
01:00:56,980 --> 01:00:55,250
it with aircraft when we're landing you

1406
01:01:02,850 --> 01:00:56,990
know just come in and land you you make

1407
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:05,650
evidence right now anyway to say that

1408
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:07,850
the thing landed gently on the water one

1409
01:01:13,180 --> 01:01:10,490
of our one of them witnesses since

1410
01:01:15,790 --> 01:01:13,190
passed away but he told his daughter on

1411
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:15,800
his death bed when he was 91 years old

1412
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:17,210
he was dying to brain cancer or

1413
01:01:22,510 --> 01:01:19,610
something I sorry that was in 1991 he

1414
01:01:25,180 --> 01:01:22,520
was dying to brain cancer but he'd he'd

1415
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:25,190
he'd alluded to it years before and then

1416
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,630
he came back years later when he was

1417
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:28,880
dying to say that this thing was what he

1418
01:01:32,890 --> 01:01:31,310
saw he went into a little more detail

1419
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:32,900
and he actually had pulled up alongside

1420
01:01:39,460 --> 01:01:35,750
the Irish moss plant and he saw two

1421
01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:39,470
moons and he thought no that's how it

1422
01:01:43,540 --> 01:01:41,240
would the other moon come from we got

1423
01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:43,550
outside to have a look and then one moon

1424
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:45,500
departed you know from the side of the

1425
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:47,510
other one and went down gently landed on

1426
01:01:51,249 --> 01:01:48,890
the water

1427
01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:51,259
beside him and that was at the Irish

1428
01:01:54,609 --> 01:01:52,969
moss plant and then all of a sudden the

1429
01:01:57,009 --> 01:01:54,619
car component a lot and as he got

1430
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:57,019
nervous then because he was involved in

1431
01:02:00,699 --> 01:01:58,880
a tryst with a woman down in the woods

1432
01:02:01,749 --> 01:02:00,709
Harbor and he was married with a woman

1433
01:02:03,789 --> 01:02:01,759
that was further away the other

1434
01:02:08,339 --> 01:02:03,799
direction so he didn't want anybody know

1435
01:02:13,959 --> 01:02:08,349
he's in that area and at the same time I

1436
01:02:18,249 --> 01:02:13,969
had been told by one of my friends down

1437
01:02:20,969 --> 01:02:18,259
there I'm trying to remember his first

1438
01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:20,979
name his last name is Shan Doug sorry

1439
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:23,900
his father had been one of them there is

1440
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:25,609
a uncle I should say had been one of the

1441
01:02:29,529 --> 01:02:27,049
fishermen who were the first two

1442
01:02:33,459 --> 01:02:29,539
fishermen tope Bradford she and his name

1443
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:33,469
was and he told me that he had a he'd

1444
01:02:37,269 --> 01:02:35,089
contact me by phone said he had a

1445
01:02:39,729 --> 01:02:37,279
fisherman friend down there who would

1446
01:02:41,709 --> 01:02:39,739
actually seen the thing himself that

1447
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:41,719
night but he was really a young lady

1448
01:02:45,969 --> 01:02:44,089
friend and he didn't want to mention

1449
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:45,979
anything about it mentioned to anybody

1450
01:02:49,569 --> 01:02:47,690
were you know for it to really get out

1451
01:02:51,579 --> 01:02:49,579
because he didn't want her to be

1452
01:02:57,579 --> 01:02:51,589
embarrassed they were only like teenager

1453
01:03:00,009 --> 01:02:57,589
you know 17 18 maybe 19 so I said oh

1454
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:00,019
that's nice to know so anyway again back

1455
01:03:04,569 --> 01:03:03,170
at that same a little school I was

1456
01:03:07,779 --> 01:03:04,579
telling about where we had the show that

1457
01:03:10,089 --> 01:03:07,789
night or the conference this mean Kris

1458
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:10,099
talking Boccia Gerber

1459
01:03:18,729 --> 01:03:14,329
I bought this aqua boat this far having

1460
01:03:22,539 --> 01:03:18,739
had a this was with this girl when they

1461
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:22,549
saw this thing land on the water and and

1462
01:03:26,380 --> 01:03:25,369
I said it was he didn't want to mention

1463
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:26,390
anything because he didn't want to

1464
01:03:30,759 --> 01:03:28,130
embarrass her this woman stands up in

1465
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:30,769
the audience said well that was me so

1466
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:32,569
she Oded herself read then and there and

1467
01:03:36,910 --> 01:03:35,119
so I interviewed her and we got her name

1468
01:03:39,189 --> 01:03:36,920
and everything and she said we were

1469
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:39,199
parked in the car at the end the other

1470
01:03:43,209 --> 01:03:40,609
end of the Irish moss plant where the

1471
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:43,219
other cars came in between there and and

1472
01:03:46,749 --> 01:03:45,170
dirt bank that's there that's quite high

1473
01:03:49,269 --> 01:03:46,759
it's probably about 20 feet high there

1474
01:03:54,219 --> 01:03:49,279
and we were in there you know in the car

1475
01:03:56,140 --> 01:03:54,229
and all of a sudden this thing light

1476
01:03:57,370 --> 01:03:56,150
came around from behind and we lost

1477
01:04:01,780 --> 01:03:57,380
sight of it then it came down and landed

1478
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:03,820
she said it was very frightening and of

1479
01:04:09,490 --> 01:04:07,210
course she said we were you know we want

1480
01:04:11,230 --> 01:04:09,500
younger there I don't know I heard a

1481
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:11,240
plaque blank out for a second

1482
01:04:22,050 --> 01:04:13,540
no I can hear you yeah yeah same time

1483
01:04:24,910 --> 01:04:22,060
okay and they they had to wait and go to

1484
01:04:26,410 --> 01:04:24,920
until it's sort of the busyness died

1485
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:26,420
down at the other end of the Irish moss

1486
01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:28,130
plant which is only about forty feet

1487
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:29,750
square of I should say animal two

1488
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:33,140
stories high and because they and then

1489
01:04:36,070 --> 01:04:34,610
they sort of snuck out and joined the

1490
01:04:37,330 --> 01:04:36,080
crowd after that but they didn't want

1491
01:04:38,740 --> 01:04:37,340
anybody to know what they're up to well

1492
01:04:41,050 --> 01:04:38,750
or the other end of the building there

1493
01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:41,060
and if when everybody else showed up so

1494
01:04:45,610 --> 01:04:42,620
at this at the same time there was

1495
01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:45,620
probably mr. Nickerson that's just a I I

1496
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:47,630
don't have his first name right now it's

1497
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:49,010
in the book actually if you look if you

1498
01:04:53,590 --> 01:04:51,170
read the book dark objects names in

1499
01:04:55,210 --> 01:04:53,600
there I was sitting on the opposite side

1500
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:55,220
of the road these other two were at the

1501
01:04:58,180 --> 01:04:56,810
other end of the Irish moss plant

1502
01:05:00,220 --> 01:04:58,190
probably no more than hundred fifty feet

1503
01:05:02,860 --> 01:05:00,230
away from them in the car and they saw

1504
01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:02,870
the thing come down land on the water so

1505
01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:06,950
I and as for the two lights in the sky I

1506
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:08,420
already mentioned that there was no moon

1507
01:05:12,730 --> 01:05:09,920
that night the monk the moon said at

1508
01:05:17,590 --> 01:05:12,740
5:30 that evening and this was 11:00

1509
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:17,600
11:30 or almost 11:30 so um he didn't

1510
01:05:22,270 --> 01:05:20,210
see two moons he saw he saw two

1511
01:05:23,650 --> 01:05:22,280
unidentifieds out there and not he

1512
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:23,660
didn't know what they were but that's

1513
01:05:27,700 --> 01:05:25,490
pretty much borne out by some of the

1514
01:05:30,130 --> 01:05:27,710
other information I was going on over

1515
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:30,140
enough Bay of Fundy which is across the

1516
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:33,440
province maybe 70 miles or so and by

1517
01:05:38,380 --> 01:05:35,930
other fishermen who were hearing seniors

1518
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:38,390
out on the Bay of Fundy and in an RCMP

1519
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,440
officer with a three game wardens that

1520
01:05:47,650 --> 01:05:43,760
Rover in a clearing in South Maitland

1521
01:05:49,540 --> 01:05:47,660
and um people listening to fishermen on

1522
01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:49,550
the marine radio that they're in their

1523
01:05:57,150 --> 01:05:52,990
cottage down in or in their home down in

1524
01:05:59,380 --> 01:05:57,160
wedge port which is if you look at the

1525
01:06:02,050 --> 01:05:59,390
southwest coast of Nova Scotia you'll

1526
01:06:05,050 --> 01:06:02,060
see a long thin arm sort of sticking

1527
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,060
down on the edge of the edge of the of

1528
01:06:09,250 --> 01:06:07,760
the province and that's a called Digby

1529
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:09,260
neck and right at the end of that

1530
01:06:13,780 --> 01:06:10,400
there's a little village down there

1531
01:06:15,370 --> 01:06:13,790
called a wedge port and it's um it's a

1532
01:06:16,990 --> 01:06:15,380
fishing village and there was

1533
01:06:19,450 --> 01:06:17,000
no dear that night they're good to hear

1534
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:19,460
people talking on the on the marine

1535
01:06:24,279 --> 01:06:21,650
radio and they were all abuzz about this

1536
01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:24,289
this object that was buzzing their

1537
01:06:28,839 --> 01:06:26,660
fishing boat out of the water and they a

1538
01:06:31,420 --> 01:06:28,849
fun date so there's a bit of a story in

1539
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:31,430
there too which is uh in the book it's

1540
01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:36,319
all in there so um and this thing of the

1541
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:38,990
wood ties in with the same object that

1542
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:41,690
the mount the other Mountie in the three

1543
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:43,490
game wardens solve ourself Maitland

1544
01:06:48,730 --> 01:06:44,569
which is over the other side of the

1545
01:06:51,370 --> 01:06:48,740
province and which the game warden of

1546
01:06:52,839 --> 01:06:51,380
the next morning had determined was the

1547
01:06:56,410 --> 01:06:52,849
direction was going that night when he

1548
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:56,420
checked the the local map seemed to be

1549
01:06:59,920 --> 01:06:58,250
heading over towards the Shea Gerber he

1550
01:07:02,170 --> 01:06:59,930
said would not even realize and that

1551
01:07:03,549 --> 01:07:02,180
anything it happened in J Gerber but the

1552
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,559
Mountie had come over to see him that

1553
01:07:07,329 --> 01:07:05,839
morning told him it well that's strange

1554
01:07:08,890 --> 01:07:07,339
because there was an incident over and

1555
01:07:11,499 --> 01:07:08,900
Shea Garber because he was amounting to

1556
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:11,509
get the information through their

1557
01:07:15,370 --> 01:07:14,000
network I guess but I mean there was all

1558
01:07:18,339 --> 01:07:15,380
up and down the coast there there was

1559
01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:18,349
incidents there was the flight I don't

1560
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:20,180
want to tie you up here with this but

1561
01:07:26,620 --> 01:07:22,609
you know there was plate 305 that one I

1562
01:07:29,319 --> 01:07:26,630
think was um was actually a known I

1563
01:07:31,299 --> 01:07:29,329
think we pretty much saw that one after

1564
01:07:33,370 --> 01:07:31,309
flight Air Canada flight 305 saw

1565
01:07:35,470 --> 01:07:33,380
something that night at around seven

1566
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:35,480
o'clock and evening but that's almost

1567
01:07:39,749 --> 01:07:38,089
four hours before actually was probably

1568
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:39,759
eight o'clock our time seven o'clock

1569
01:07:47,019 --> 01:07:44,000
Eastern your tongue up over in the New

1570
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:47,029
Brunswick or maybe sofa there over

1571
01:07:53,769 --> 01:07:48,890
Millinocket down and main well you know

1572
01:07:55,299 --> 01:07:53,779
where that is and uh you know in some of

1573
01:07:56,589 --> 01:07:55,309
them we call it the night of the UFOs in

1574
01:07:58,509 --> 01:07:56,599
the books and there was I think three

1575
01:08:00,249 --> 01:07:58,519
years old probably seven or eight or

1576
01:08:04,059 --> 01:08:00,259
nine cases in there that we included oh

1577
01:08:07,150 --> 01:08:04,069
I had no idea about that part another

1578
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:07,160
question that came into our forum would

1579
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:10,670
you say that eyewitness accounts of shag

1580
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:12,650
harbour incident include reliable

1581
01:08:20,410 --> 01:08:17,870
corroborating testimony yeah I would say

1582
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:20,420
I mean three of them were the RCMP

1583
01:08:24,459 --> 01:08:22,250
officers I interviewed that myself Chris

1584
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:24,469
interviewed them and they pretty much

1585
01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:27,650
all had the same story mind you by the

1586
01:08:32,710 --> 01:08:30,220
time we got to them they were

1587
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:32,720
two of them were retired the other one

1588
01:08:36,490 --> 01:08:34,250
was well actually I think all three were

1589
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:36,500
at that point it's the Mountie that was

1590
01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:38,810
over in South Maitland that night he was

1591
01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:41,020
still working I mean I contacted him I

1592
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:43,640
took me about two weeks to track the guy

1593
01:08:48,820 --> 01:08:47,120
down you know you talk to the Mounties

1594
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:48,830
and you know want to talk to a

1595
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:50,920
particular amount and they get sort of

1596
01:08:54,490 --> 01:08:52,850
defensive saying you know well you know

1597
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:54,500
we don't just give up their names and so

1598
01:09:00,850 --> 01:08:56,330
on I tracked them down through a friend

1599
01:09:03,790 --> 01:09:00,860
of mine open in Saskatchewan who is who

1600
01:09:10,150 --> 01:09:03,800
also had an uncle who was involved in

1601
01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:10,160
the in the RCMP s annual newsletter and

1602
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:12,200
wouldn't had the different people who

1603
01:09:16,210 --> 01:09:14,090
were retired and so on and so forth and

1604
01:09:17,830 --> 01:09:16,220
we was able to track him down there and

1605
01:09:20,590 --> 01:09:17,840
then I tracked him down from there down

1606
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:20,600
to Nova Scotia and then over to to his

1607
01:09:24,940 --> 01:09:22,670
new job and which was at the hellofax

1608
01:09:26,710 --> 01:09:24,950
International Airport to work on

1609
01:09:29,050 --> 01:09:26,720
security at Halifax international of

1610
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:29,060
course this is like what at that time

1611
01:09:35,770 --> 01:09:32,960
probably 25 years later now I know I

1612
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:35,780
heard Chris mentioned that he was I

1613
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:37,610
believe 12 years old when the incident

1614
01:09:43,210 --> 01:09:40,250
happened and that very night I believe

1615
01:09:45,310 --> 01:09:43,220
he had some type of sighting that may or

1616
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:45,320
may not been related at that some foggy

1617
01:09:55,090 --> 01:09:49,670
about that but did you know that the

1618
01:09:56,590 --> 01:09:55,100
event happened when it happened oh did I

1619
01:09:59,080 --> 01:09:56,600
know it had that when it happened yeah

1620
01:10:00,640 --> 01:09:59,090
after it happened yeah but then we give

1621
01:10:02,380 --> 01:10:00,650
within a couple of three days I did

1622
01:10:06,190 --> 01:10:02,390
actually I was actually in the area

1623
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:06,200
myself that night yeah Wow but I didn't

1624
01:10:09,460 --> 01:10:07,880
know I was in the area that night I did

1625
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:09,470
see something weird myself that night

1626
01:10:14,740 --> 01:10:11,690
but I didn't have any relationship well

1627
01:10:16,540 --> 01:10:14,750
I was it was between Cape Sable Island

1628
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:16,550
shag harbour I think it's pretty

1629
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:19,760
coincidental actually but Chris did have

1630
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:21,110
a sighting that night but it was in

1631
01:10:25,780 --> 01:10:23,120
Halifax over dark but across the harbour

1632
01:10:29,050 --> 01:10:25,790
the ton of City to Dartmouth across the

1633
01:10:30,370 --> 01:10:29,060
harbour and he was 12 years old it mixes

1634
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:30,380
it up on the back of the book when you

1635
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:32,210
see it in there it says he who himself

1636
01:10:37,870 --> 01:10:34,850
was a I got to get the book down to get

1637
01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:37,880
it exact but says it was a witness to

1638
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,580
the object he wasn't a witness's his

1639
01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:41,600
grandfather was in

1640
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:43,670
area that night in contact and load up a

1641
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:45,530
Chris had his own event then happened

1642
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:47,150
that night down in Halifax Harbour and

1643
01:10:53,050 --> 01:10:50,150
there was two other people besides

1644
01:10:54,610 --> 01:10:53,060
Chris's saw this object long yellow and

1645
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:54,620
orange tape ball out on the harbour

1646
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:56,210
Chris was a little closer than that I

1647
01:10:59,980 --> 01:10:57,170
don't think it was more than a few

1648
01:11:01,630 --> 01:10:59,990
hundred feet from it but I mean that's a

1649
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:01,640
little story and that's again in the

1650
01:11:08,620 --> 01:11:06,320
book and Chris is uh ten years younger

1651
01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:08,630
than me so I was 22 at the time and I

1652
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,150
was a Salesman and on that Wednesday

1653
01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:13,520
evening I was travelling down I used to

1654
01:11:17,530 --> 01:11:15,080
go late at night so that I wouldn't have

1655
01:11:22,570 --> 01:11:17,540
to pay for an extra hotel room I'd leave

1656
01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:22,580
home and go down and and whatever area I

1657
01:11:26,110 --> 01:11:24,020
was heading to in this particular time I

1658
01:11:29,530 --> 01:11:26,120
was going down to the Yarmouth area and

1659
01:11:31,090 --> 01:11:29,540
and and and like Shelburne in places

1660
01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:31,100
like that that had little music stores I

1661
01:11:35,980 --> 01:11:32,780
used to sell musical instruments and PA

1662
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,990
systems and that sort of thing and so I

1663
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:37,760
was going down there that night and it

1664
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,260
was about three o'clock in the morning

1665
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:42,080
on the on it would probably would have

1666
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:46,880
been Thursday morning now and to go down

1667
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:50,510
and check out Yarmouth and come back up

1668
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:52,550
through other little areas like Digby

1669
01:11:56,980 --> 01:11:54,440
and kemple and so on up on the opposite

1670
01:12:00,100 --> 01:11:56,990
shore and make a loop of it and spend

1671
01:12:01,570 --> 01:12:00,110
the two days doing that and I'd pulled

1672
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:01,580
over the side of the road walked to the

1673
01:12:05,230 --> 01:12:02,930
other side of the road I pulled off a

1674
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:05,240
little churchyard there then I went to

1675
01:12:08,140 --> 01:12:06,170
the other side of the road very

1676
01:12:10,690 --> 01:12:08,150
respectively it was 3:30 in the morning

1677
01:12:13,330 --> 01:12:10,700
and I've been driving for some time so

1678
01:12:16,690 --> 01:12:13,340
anyway while I'm standing there looking

1679
01:12:18,370 --> 01:12:16,700
across the ditch I see these red lights

1680
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:18,380
zipping around out over Cape Sable

1681
01:12:22,450 --> 01:12:20,510
Island that didn't make any sense now I

1682
01:12:26,710 --> 01:12:22,460
wasn't a pilot at that point but I've

1683
01:12:30,340 --> 01:12:26,720
always been an airplane enthusiasts

1684
01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:30,350
I'm 22 then I still was an airplane and

1685
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:32,750
who's just knew a lot about aircraft and

1686
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:35,330
so on and I saw these things out there

1687
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:36,800
and I thought now what the heck would

1688
01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:38,930
those be I'm making a guess of course

1689
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:40,580
that there probably some kind of an

1690
01:12:46,330 --> 01:12:43,370
unidentified flying object but I can't

1691
01:12:48,670 --> 01:12:46,340
disassociate that over Cape Sable Island

1692
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:48,680
from maybe some kind of or the event

1693
01:12:52,900 --> 01:12:50,930
itself that was up and shake Herber a

1694
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,910
few hours before that which I didn't

1695
01:12:55,540 --> 01:12:55,040
know until I got home that's my wife

1696
01:12:58,450 --> 01:12:55,550
mentioned

1697
01:13:00,069 --> 01:12:58,460
did you see the newt that the headline

1698
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,079
in the newspaper and I said no what

1699
01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:02,320
about it and she said about the UFO

1700
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:05,780
someplace down where you were and she'd

1701
01:13:11,859 --> 01:13:08,329
forgotten the name by that time the

1702
01:13:13,180 --> 01:13:11,869
newspaper had arrived home on a Saturday

1703
01:13:15,459 --> 01:13:13,190
and I believe the newspaper had already

1704
01:13:16,750 --> 01:13:15,469
gone out in the garbage result if I'd

1705
01:13:18,729 --> 01:13:16,760
have been smart I would have gone okay

1706
01:13:20,530 --> 01:13:18,739
dug it out of there but as it turns out

1707
01:13:22,569 --> 01:13:20,540
I do have the actual newspaper heading

1708
01:13:24,850 --> 01:13:22,579
I'm the real it was clipped off by Ray

1709
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:24,860
McCloud himself who gave it to me he's

1710
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:28,369
the guy that wrote the story and but I

1711
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:30,290
didn't realize so close I could come Wow

1712
01:13:37,979 --> 01:13:35,570
and there's a pretty prominent Nova

1713
01:13:41,470 --> 01:13:37,989
Scotian air would mean anything to the

1714
01:13:42,729 --> 01:13:41,480
two Americans and of course many

1715
01:13:44,890 --> 01:13:42,739
Canadians wouldn't know anything but

1716
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:44,900
Ouisa turned out he ended up being the

1717
01:13:49,089 --> 01:13:46,730
premier Nova Scotia three years later

1718
01:13:54,879 --> 01:13:49,099
four years later yeah three years later

1719
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:54,889
and so um he was he was coming back from

1720
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,449
the arm around the old road highway

1721
01:13:59,740 --> 01:13:57,920
number through around the bottom of the

1722
01:14:01,359 --> 01:13:59,750
province it's really helpful to have the

1723
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:01,369
map of what I'm talking about this stuff

1724
01:14:07,149 --> 01:14:03,260
because it covers a lot of an area down

1725
01:14:08,919 --> 01:14:07,159
there and he saw the conglomeration the

1726
01:14:10,330 --> 01:14:08,929
cars on the side of the road pulled off

1727
01:14:13,149 --> 01:14:10,340
was standing there looking at the thing

1728
01:14:15,069 --> 01:14:13,159
himself out on the water so I didn't

1729
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:15,079
know this until years later his son was

1730
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:18,650
a pilot and we became friends over the

1731
01:14:24,129 --> 01:14:20,210
years you know of it down here there's

1732
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:24,139
not that many of us and so eventually I

1733
01:14:27,069 --> 01:14:25,730
ran across it and he found out had

1734
01:14:29,020 --> 01:14:27,079
written a book about it and he read it

1735
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:29,030
and he cut back to me and said his dad

1736
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:30,980
saw the same thing that night with a

1737
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:32,210
bunch of other people well they were

1738
01:14:39,129 --> 01:14:36,290
standing organoid on the Imperius called

1739
01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:39,139
the sound it's right on the on the mouth

1740
01:14:45,819 --> 01:14:41,480
of the harbor shag harbour entrance on

1741
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:45,829
the Western approach there and but so

1742
01:14:52,569 --> 01:14:50,570
that surprised me and if he's still he's

1743
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:52,579
still alive that guy but he's he's in

1744
01:14:56,319 --> 01:14:54,170
his probably in his ninety and I don't

1745
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:56,329
know whether you want to be up to

1746
01:15:00,600 --> 01:14:58,130
haven't been a pretty prominent

1747
01:15:02,770 --> 01:15:00,610
politician if you hooked if he wanted to

1748
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:02,780
you know talk about something like that

1749
01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:09,729
anyway um I don't know we got off the

1750
01:15:17,140 --> 01:15:13,910
tractor better that's okay a question I

1751
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:17,150
thought of as you know I heard Chris say

1752
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:19,730
that it was a number of years later

1753
01:15:25,780 --> 01:15:23,510
before he something jagd his memory

1754
01:15:28,090 --> 01:15:25,790
jogged his memory and he or something of

1755
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:28,100
the event and then he started you know

1756
01:15:32,590 --> 01:15:30,050
getting involved in researching it

1757
01:15:37,630 --> 01:15:32,600
thoroughly and then you later joined him

1758
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:37,640
had anyone before that go deeply into

1759
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:43,520
research this incident before Chris no

1760
01:15:48,729 --> 01:15:47,210
not that I know and and the thing I

1761
01:15:52,270 --> 01:15:48,739
jogged his memory was the succour

1762
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:52,280
incident on Southwest ryx yes yeah that

1763
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:55,970
would have been about 1992 to 93 he saw

1764
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:57,440
it that night and it just jogged his

1765
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:00,560
memory about the his grandfather having

1766
01:16:08,050 --> 01:16:02,210
Colin plus his own you know his own

1767
01:16:09,370 --> 01:16:08,060
incident and what and I saw the same

1768
01:16:11,140 --> 01:16:09,380
episode one it remember you remember

1769
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,150
unsolved mysteries honey oh yeah and you

1770
01:16:15,729 --> 01:16:14,000
also go loved it yeah yeah yeah yeah

1771
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:15,739
yeah it was pretty good I mean they

1772
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:17,810
eventually the they had unsolved

1773
01:16:20,590 --> 01:16:19,190
mysteries which were usually just

1774
01:16:21,729 --> 01:16:20,600
regular mysteries but they started

1775
01:16:24,190 --> 01:16:21,739
getting every once and while they get a

1776
01:16:28,780 --> 01:16:24,200
good UFO mystery in there something

1777
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:28,790
Socorro is definitely a good one but the

1778
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:32,570
yeah so up till then other than interest

1779
01:16:39,190 --> 01:16:34,850
maybe by the odd reporter who you know

1780
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:39,200
the the National Enquirer which back in

1781
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:41,570
those days was more of a newspaper than

1782
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:44,570
a than whatever the hello howdy I would

1783
01:16:49,420 --> 01:16:47,210
equally faith news yeah it's a tabloid

1784
01:16:52,150 --> 01:16:49,430
it was a tabloid then no tabloid touch

1785
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:52,160
sized newspaper but it you know it's

1786
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:54,230
just gone over off the wall now and but

1787
01:16:58,330 --> 01:16:55,610
I mean back then they did some pretty

1788
01:17:01,140 --> 01:16:58,340
good stuff and they did report on it did

1789
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:01,150
a report on it that and they talked to

1790
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:04,010
Dave Kendrick who really wasn't that

1791
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:05,810
deeply involved in the in thing you know

1792
01:17:08,830 --> 01:17:07,610
he saw the thing when they were driving

1793
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:08,840
down the road but then he went home

1794
01:17:12,130 --> 01:17:11,600
after he dropped off Norm Smith and went

1795
01:17:13,690 --> 01:17:12,140
to bed

1796
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:13,700
told his mother what did they deem this

1797
01:17:16,490 --> 01:17:14,930
weird thing in the sky and then he went

1798
01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:16,500
to bed and that was it for him

1799
01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:20,300
but no not really and there was a small

1800
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:23,910
what's his first name now the document I

1801
01:17:30,740 --> 01:17:25,320
still have it here somewhere I've got

1802
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:30,750
all the documents mentioned about seeing

1803
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:34,260
um not so he tried to get some

1804
01:17:42,650 --> 01:17:39,840
information from you know the Armed

1805
01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:42,660
Forces about he wrote a letter to one of

1806
01:17:48,850 --> 01:17:45,900
the commanders or one of the naval first

1807
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:48,860
people or maybe your desk in Ottawa and

1808
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:51,930
and they sent him up you know what they

1809
01:17:57,620 --> 01:17:55,380
had which is basically mentioned in the

1810
01:18:00,080 --> 01:17:57,630
you know who have been a fisherman saw

1811
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:00,090
something old on the water in the sky

1812
01:18:04,460 --> 01:18:02,010
and then it went on the water and they

1813
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:04,470
didn't get into any real detail on it

1814
01:18:09,650 --> 01:18:07,290
but if he never took it any further than

1815
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:09,660
that maybe a three page write-up that

1816
01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:13,410
he'd done and sent it off to I think he

1817
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:17,100
was with Apple back in the day NICAP or

1818
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:25,640
the and send it in to them and that was

1819
01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:27,810
the end of it and that's but it still

1820
01:18:32,150 --> 01:18:30,060
it's had survived within their file so

1821
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:32,160
and I have a copy here somewhere

1822
01:18:37,340 --> 01:18:34,950
something most of that stuff showed up

1823
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:37,350
in the archives up here in that in the

1824
01:18:43,930 --> 01:18:40,770
National Archives in Ottawa on my after

1825
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:43,940
Chris had viewed the microfilm himself

1826
01:18:51,530 --> 01:18:48,570
we if this is important if it's

1827
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:51,540
important to you him and I had both

1828
01:19:01,940 --> 01:18:55,170
applied to become MUFON investigators

1829
01:19:03,620 --> 01:19:01,950
back in the day and so but needed we

1830
01:19:05,060 --> 01:19:03,630
didn't know each other at the time and

1831
01:19:07,190 --> 01:19:05,070
they put us together

1832
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:07,200
Chris lived in you know in darkness and

1833
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,730
I lived in Dartmouth or hellofax

1834
01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:10,320
time doesn't make any difference that's

1835
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:14,150
you know like a twin city thing and they

1836
01:19:19,850 --> 01:19:17,370
alerted each of us independently that

1837
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:19,860
you know the other was any you know was

1838
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:22,290
there and we should niggath phone

1839
01:19:26,369 --> 01:19:24,120
numbers and we get together so we called

1840
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:26,379
one and I forget who called who first

1841
01:19:31,589 --> 01:19:29,679
and we had a meeting over my office's by

1842
01:19:35,909 --> 01:19:31,599
that time I was a director of

1843
01:19:39,389 --> 01:19:35,919
legislative television and for the Nova

1844
01:19:41,959 --> 01:19:39,399
Scotia legislature and uh so we got

1845
01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:41,969
together in my offices one Saturday and

1846
01:19:46,949 --> 01:19:44,260
started to hash this thing out that was

1847
01:19:48,839 --> 01:19:46,959
our first meeting and we he brought up

1848
01:19:50,699 --> 01:19:48,849
she egg harbor and then while he was

1849
01:19:52,919 --> 01:19:50,709
talking about that's when I recalled

1850
01:19:55,429 --> 01:19:52,929
what had happened the time I'd forgotten

1851
01:19:58,529 --> 01:19:55,439
the name of the place you know and of it

1852
01:20:00,899 --> 01:19:58,539
so anyway um he sort of dragged me into

1853
01:20:02,669 --> 01:20:00,909
that thing and then after he got really

1854
01:20:04,409 --> 01:20:02,679
interested he said you know one day one

1855
01:20:06,270 --> 01:20:04,419
day well I think that there's a probably

1856
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,280
a book here and I said well he says but

1857
01:20:11,609 --> 01:20:08,320
I find somebody was good with the King's

1858
01:20:13,469 --> 01:20:11,619
English and I said I'm a writer so I

1859
01:20:14,669 --> 01:20:13,479
said I could probably give it a shot see

1860
01:20:20,339 --> 01:20:14,679
what I could do with it and that's how

1861
01:20:22,259 --> 01:20:20,349
that started and we we we started what I

1862
01:20:23,429 --> 01:20:22,269
did then was we interviewed Chris all

1863
01:20:25,259 --> 01:20:23,439
over again because he had the

1864
01:20:27,629 --> 01:20:25,269
information he had from you know gotten

1865
01:20:29,310 --> 01:20:27,639
from the from the archives I went to the

1866
01:20:31,409 --> 01:20:29,320
archives I got the microfilm brought

1867
01:20:33,349 --> 01:20:31,419
down to the library loner system which

1868
01:20:36,750 --> 01:20:33,359
is what we had back in the nineties and

1869
01:20:41,699 --> 01:20:36,760
uh went through all those microfilm

1870
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:41,709
reels rg7 east energy 77 24 and I'll

1871
01:20:44,699 --> 01:20:43,090
give the other one is I going to mark

1872
01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:44,709
down here somewhere so you know this is

1873
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:46,510
going back what twenty odd years now

1874
01:20:51,659 --> 01:20:49,689
memories not what it used to be and I

1875
01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:51,669
went through all the microfilm and in

1876
01:20:56,429 --> 01:20:53,800
those days you'd watch it on a microfilm

1877
01:20:58,349 --> 01:20:56,439
viewer and if you wanted to copy

1878
01:21:00,540 --> 01:20:58,359
anything you had it be what you watching

1879
01:21:03,869 --> 01:21:00,550
it on this particular type of microfilm

1880
01:21:05,729 --> 01:21:03,879
vo that also had a copier embedded in it

1881
01:21:08,969 --> 01:21:05,739
so then you for twenty-five cents you

1882
01:21:13,259 --> 01:21:08,979
could copy that particular little frame

1883
01:21:16,139 --> 01:21:13,269
on the microfilm and I spent about $200

1884
01:21:18,659 --> 01:21:16,149
on importers and that thing over 30 or

1885
01:21:22,259 --> 01:21:18,669
three months down you know copying all

1886
01:21:23,879 --> 01:21:22,269
of these duck nuts and you know going up

1887
01:21:25,649 --> 01:21:23,889
there at lunch hours from work you know

1888
01:21:27,509 --> 01:21:25,659
or if I had a break for a half an hour

1889
01:21:28,919 --> 01:21:27,519
go up there and look at some more they

1890
01:21:32,219 --> 01:21:28,929
kept them for three months for me so I

1891
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:32,229
could go out from them and I said I've

1892
01:21:37,469 --> 01:21:35,050
been sent off copies of them but there's

1893
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:37,479
about 500 documents there anyway that I

1894
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:40,170
not all Moche a gerber this is just UFO

1895
01:21:43,970 --> 01:21:41,520
in general there's quote if I wrote

1896
01:21:48,860 --> 01:21:43,980
another book layer called maritime UFO

1897
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:48,870
FILES which is about the and by

1898
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:51,090
Maritimes the Maritime Provinces or Nova

1899
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:52,560
Scotia Prince Edward Island Prince

1900
01:21:57,410 --> 01:21:54,900
Edward and New Brunswick I should say

1901
01:22:02,000 --> 01:21:57,420
Edward Stanton Friedman lives right

1902
01:22:04,700 --> 01:22:02,010
and so I in Newfoundland Labrador but

1903
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:04,710
they weren't recognized as the Maritimes

1904
01:22:08,810 --> 01:22:06,480
for some reason back of the day they

1905
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:08,820
weren't part of Canada until 1949 anyway

1906
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:12,030
so um but anyway the that's that was the

1907
01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:13,290
four areas and there was quite a few

1908
01:22:16,700 --> 01:22:14,820
American Air Force Base and there was a

1909
01:22:19,010 --> 01:22:16,710
lot of good sightings down here I was

1910
01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:19,020
actually shocked because until I really

1911
01:22:25,220 --> 01:22:21,420
got involved in this I didn't realize

1912
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:25,230
you know that UFO incidents occurred in

1913
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:27,510
any worse but these nine states because

1914
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:29,010
every book I read it was usually about

1915
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:30,780
the United States or someplace in France

1916
01:22:35,780 --> 01:22:33,960
you know but you know there was an

1917
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:35,790
incredible amount of UFO reports up here

1918
01:22:42,590 --> 01:22:38,970
over the years right right so let's talk

1919
01:22:45,530 --> 01:22:42,600
about what Chris found out twenty years

1920
01:22:50,570 --> 01:22:45,540
later and that has to do with the

1921
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:50,580
military base up north I think you said

1922
01:22:59,300 --> 01:22:54,510
Brett not bred in this but up of Cape

1923
01:23:02,870 --> 01:22:59,310
Breton yeah yeah listen it was up in the

1924
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,880
oh yeah I'm just up north right over

1925
01:23:07,610 --> 01:23:04,800
there about 20 it's only about 25 miles

1926
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:07,620
away at the boast and that's that's what

1927
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,010
I meant

1928
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:10,560
so that and that's what Chris found out

1929
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:14,970
about 20 years later right yeah I ran

1930
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:17,490
across the guy it's one of those things

1931
01:23:24,260 --> 01:23:19,890
were in coincidence if you want to call

1932
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:24,270
him coincidence a start to happen and

1933
01:23:27,620 --> 01:23:26,370
then in different places you run into

1934
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:27,630
people at all of a sudden because you

1935
01:23:30,710 --> 01:23:29,250
mentioned something to them they say oh

1936
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:30,720
yeah I know something like that because

1937
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:32,310
I was slightly involved with that and so

1938
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:33,570
on

1939
01:23:45,140 --> 01:23:42,090
name now because he passed away several

1940
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:45,150
years ago he was a diver attica remember

1941
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:47,910
that the fleet died of the I mentioned

1942
01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:50,010
that the divers came down from Halifax

1943
01:23:53,310 --> 01:23:52,440
from the this hellofax is a huge naval

1944
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:53,320
County

1945
01:23:58,020 --> 01:23:56,290
always has been the British were and of

1946
01:23:59,340 --> 01:23:58,030
course our own Navy and then during the

1947
01:24:01,410 --> 01:23:59,350
Second World War and the first world

1948
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:01,420
wars it was a to make up place for the

1949
01:24:06,510 --> 01:24:04,210
convoys Halifax Harbour place blew up in

1950
01:24:09,540 --> 01:24:06,520
1917 almost wiped out the north end to

1951
01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:09,550
LFX the biggest man-made explosion till

1952
01:24:17,130 --> 01:24:11,200
they dropped the H bomb in Hiroshima

1953
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:17,140
that anyway M so the in this particular

1954
01:24:27,770 --> 01:24:24,730
instance in here we a little bit of a

1955
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:27,780
coincidence as well Chris knew a fellow

1956
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:31,600
who was whose father was a trainer in

1957
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:33,010
the fleet diving unit they are the

1958
01:24:38,729 --> 01:24:35,890
divers for the Canadian Navy they're

1959
01:24:40,260 --> 01:24:38,739
still there they moved over from the

1960
01:24:43,290 --> 01:24:40,270
Halifax hide over to the Dark Messiah

1961
01:24:47,550 --> 01:24:43,300
but they're still going as they would

1962
01:24:49,410 --> 01:24:47,560
anyway and he said do you suppose you

1963
01:24:51,780 --> 01:24:49,420
could somehow find out who that may be

1964
01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:51,790
the divers were in shag harbour as he

1965
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,140
wanted to find out what they'd seen on

1966
01:25:01,320 --> 01:24:55,600
the bottom and che Gerber if anything

1967
01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:01,330
and so his name was guy fan - jr. was

1968
01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:03,070
the follow that Chris knew and they were

1969
01:25:09,020 --> 01:25:05,260
you know probably about the same age

1970
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:09,030
anyway and Gough and senior was the

1971
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:11,530
trainer for the fleet dive in you know

1972
01:25:19,050 --> 01:25:14,560
fleet divers he was a and we're talking

1973
01:25:23,460 --> 01:25:19,060
about scuba diving and so on and um he

1974
01:25:26,820 --> 01:25:23,470
was he has a guy fan junior asked his

1975
01:25:28,410 --> 01:25:26,830
father - senior if he could maybe find

1976
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:28,420
out who the divers were on that dive

1977
01:25:34,290 --> 01:25:31,360
down che Garber so guy fan senior came

1978
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:34,300
back with a list of divers and one of

1979
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:36,850
them was Leo Cano first one that Dave

1980
01:25:44,460 --> 01:25:40,570
Chris attempted to talk to turned out to

1981
01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:44,470
be have um some kind of cancer and he

1982
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:46,150
was in hospital and was unable to talk

1983
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:48,970
to him and then the second one Chris

1984
01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:55,840
talked to was Leo Cano and so Chris

1985
01:26:00,210 --> 01:25:57,960
mentioned to him you know both them I

1986
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:00,220
want to talk to you about what you know

1987
01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:01,510
what you might have saw on the bottom

1988
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:03,100
that night when you're diving in Shaker

1989
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,070
be looking for that

1990
01:26:08,890 --> 01:26:06,800
UFO that supposedly crashed there and

1991
01:26:10,510 --> 01:26:08,900
he's toasted said to Chris I wasn't

1992
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:10,520
wasn't anywhere near she ate her BER he

1993
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:14,210
says we were off off the moats of

1994
01:26:19,870 --> 01:26:16,850
Shelburne Harbor that's where we were

1995
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:19,880
working on two objects that were on the

1996
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:20,840
bottom down there

1997
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:22,370
Chris I don't know that's he said shell

1998
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:25,310
burns in shake harbors in Shelburne

1999
01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:28,850
County he says yeah I says I know that

2000
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:30,440
he said but we weren't down to shake her

2001
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:32,570
bird always he says uh that was another

2002
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:34,610
thing we were doing our own thing up off

2003
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:36,770
keep stable her up off of Shelburne

2004
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:40,610
harbour which is where government point

2005
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:43,130
is so whether that had anything to do

2006
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:45,410
with it and I don't know government

2007
01:26:56,290 --> 01:26:49,760
point had was a nobody knew it for years

2008
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:56,300
until nineteen I think it was 94 no 1986

2009
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,610
I believe was there 87 when there was

2010
01:27:02,860 --> 01:27:00,320
some kind of a scandal at the base there

2011
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,870
by this time it was a Canadian base not

2012
01:27:06,730 --> 01:27:05,120
the American base it used to be what we

2013
01:27:09,190 --> 01:27:06,740
were doing the same thing as they were

2014
01:27:12,580 --> 01:27:09,200
but we were looking after now which was

2015
01:27:15,940 --> 01:27:12,590
were underwater microphone systems came

2016
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:15,950
ashore from the North Atlantic up over

2017
01:27:20,290 --> 01:27:18,710
and around raid over across you know

2018
01:27:24,730 --> 01:27:20,300
Greenland and Iceland in all those

2019
01:27:26,290 --> 01:27:24,740
places to track ships predominantly

2020
01:27:28,890 --> 01:27:26,300
submarines that they could get them and

2021
01:27:31,420 --> 01:27:28,900
they came ashore it at Shelburne a

2022
01:27:34,690 --> 01:27:31,430
government point nobody knew anything

2023
01:27:36,970 --> 01:27:34,700
about that I've got to actually got to

2024
01:27:39,310 --> 01:27:36,980
follow now that worked there back in the

2025
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:39,320
day when the shaker burns and it went on

2026
01:27:44,170 --> 01:27:42,290
and he was unfamiliar with the incident

2027
01:27:46,990 --> 01:27:44,180
itself but other weird events that went

2028
01:27:51,190 --> 01:27:47,000
on at the base and he was an American at

2029
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:51,200
the time it was 1967 68 when they

2030
01:27:58,110 --> 01:27:54,710
actually started to change over from -

2031
01:28:01,680 --> 01:27:58,120
from American servicemen operating the

2032
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:01,690
equipment there to Canadian servicemen

2033
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:04,370
up until that time the Canadians were

2034
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,930
because it was thought to be a Canadian

2035
01:28:11,370 --> 01:28:07,760
base it was called CFS Shelburne

2036
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:11,380
Canadian Forces station Shelburne and

2037
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:13,730
which was a Dodge you know to protect

2038
01:28:18,740 --> 01:28:15,810
the Americans

2039
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:18,750
a secret operation area they don't

2040
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:22,560
anybody know about it and what we what

2041
01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:24,930
we did was we are our people were the

2042
01:28:29,420 --> 01:28:26,340
people that did the guarding of the

2043
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:29,430
particular base there and they operated

2044
01:28:35,330 --> 01:28:33,120
the systems down there for you know

2045
01:28:37,130 --> 01:28:35,340
keeping people happy you know the food

2046
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:37,140
system you know cafeteria services that

2047
01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:44,250
sort of thing and but anyway the that

2048
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,280
particular base was probably important

2049
01:28:54,650 --> 01:28:52,800
to it was probably I would imagine

2050
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:54,660
important to intelligence that nobody

2051
01:28:58,730 --> 01:28:56,130
knew that these things are out there and

2052
01:29:01,490 --> 01:28:58,740
apparently here off raid offshore maybe

2053
01:29:03,530 --> 01:29:01,500
two miles and about again eighty feet of

2054
01:29:05,570 --> 01:29:03,540
water but apparently a couple on

2055
01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:05,580
identify don't call him unidentified

2056
01:29:09,650 --> 01:29:07,080
flying objects at this point but there

2057
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:09,660
are submerged objects unidentified on

2058
01:29:15,170 --> 01:29:12,540
the bottom and we apparently had six or

2059
01:29:17,090 --> 01:29:15,180
seven ships stationed over top of them

2060
01:29:22,300 --> 01:29:17,100
and we had divers going down to observe

2061
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:22,310
what they were doing and that's this was

2062
01:29:27,650 --> 01:29:25,980
what Neoga no had stated when he first

2063
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:27,660
talked to Chris Chris had an army friend

2064
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:30,690
of his has since passed away that's the

2065
01:29:33,710 --> 01:29:32,250
trouble with you of all cases they have

2066
01:29:35,870 --> 01:29:33,720
them years ago on same with like with

2067
01:29:38,060 --> 01:29:35,880
Roswell I was like Christine Friedman

2068
01:29:40,430 --> 01:29:38,070
once once said your children it's always

2069
01:29:41,810 --> 01:29:40,440
a race with the Undertaker to catch

2070
01:29:44,270 --> 01:29:41,820
witnesses you know particularly on the

2071
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:44,280
older cases but fortunately when we were

2072
01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:46,380
going at it was only like 23 or 25 years

2073
01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:52,710
later so um this um he stated that

2074
01:29:58,340 --> 01:29:55,710
they'd they had they had been using

2075
01:30:01,280 --> 01:29:58,350
tanks and so on they went they go down

2076
01:30:04,340 --> 01:30:01,290
and they deserve these two objects that

2077
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,350
were on the bottom and one appeared

2078
01:30:14,210 --> 01:30:06,960
according to me yoga know to be lending

2079
01:30:19,690 --> 01:30:14,220
assistance to the other and they there

2080
01:30:22,970 --> 01:30:21,830
Chris's what I mean creatures he said

2081
01:30:25,370 --> 01:30:22,980
these things that he says there were

2082
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:25,380
creatures there and these things that

2083
01:30:29,989 --> 01:30:27,630
were working underwater and that's about

2084
01:30:33,259 --> 01:30:29,999
as far as you go with it

2085
01:30:35,060 --> 01:30:33,269
the other other witnesses and that were

2086
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:35,070
involved in that turned out to be like a

2087
01:30:40,819 --> 01:30:38,639
near craft identifier from the Canadian

2088
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:40,829
Air Force who could identify different

2089
01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:42,570
aircraft just by pieces that came from

2090
01:30:48,020 --> 01:30:45,300
and that's not a reach I mean as a as a

2091
01:30:49,909 --> 01:30:48,030
pilot myself certain general aircraft I

2092
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,919
could probably you know like type of

2093
01:30:53,869 --> 01:30:51,840
aircraft I could fly I could probably

2094
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:53,879
see small pieces and give you a rough

2095
01:30:57,469 --> 01:30:56,159
idea of the size of the aircraft or what

2096
01:30:59,959 --> 01:30:57,479
kind of an aircraft it might have come

2097
01:31:02,089 --> 01:30:59,969
from not military aircraft or anything

2098
01:31:03,799 --> 01:31:02,099
like that but if you got an expert who's

2099
01:31:06,589 --> 01:31:03,809
been working on military aircraft for

2100
01:31:09,379 --> 01:31:06,599
years he even said he was involved in

2101
01:31:12,139 --> 01:31:09,389
recovery recovery of the u2 office the

2102
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:12,149
sofa Greenland that had crashed there

2103
01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:16,050
and been taken out there in order to

2104
01:31:21,529 --> 01:31:19,320
identify it as even in the RCAF as a

2105
01:31:23,659 --> 01:31:21,539
thought I mean we knew about them we

2106
01:31:25,459 --> 01:31:23,669
knew what was going on with you twos and

2107
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:25,469
so on of course the whole world did

2108
01:31:29,299 --> 01:31:27,570
after a certain point after Kerry powers

2109
01:31:33,049 --> 01:31:29,309
get shot down in his over Russia at that

2110
01:31:34,939 --> 01:31:33,059
time but but this sort of weird stuff

2111
01:31:39,949 --> 01:31:34,949
was going on all the time in the

2112
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:39,959
military you know and so um this sort of

2113
01:31:44,029 --> 01:31:42,239
started to expand I I know you probably

2114
01:31:45,770 --> 01:31:44,039
don't have the time for this Martin but

2115
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:45,780
I think I'd explain this to you before

2116
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:53,249
vote them you know there's the I want to

2117
01:31:56,299 --> 01:31:55,050
get him in order now there were I'd just

2118
01:31:59,739 --> 01:31:56,309
mentioned to follow who could identify

2119
01:32:01,909 --> 01:31:59,749
aircraft who was uh taken aboard a

2120
01:32:04,639 --> 01:32:01,919
Canadian ship and kept up there for a

2121
01:32:06,679 --> 01:32:04,649
week below decks he said and I said well

2122
01:32:07,879 --> 01:32:06,689
you know Chris had said well what were

2123
01:32:09,799 --> 01:32:07,889
you doing up there you're in the Air

2124
01:32:12,589 --> 01:32:09,809
Force the Navy said I was there in case

2125
01:32:14,119 --> 01:32:12,599
I identify aircraft parts yeah but he

2126
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:14,129
said I never did find out what it was he

2127
01:32:17,959 --> 01:32:15,689
said but I did hear an interesting

2128
01:32:20,089 --> 01:32:17,969
conversation one night at the in the

2129
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,099
mess you know and the board the ship

2130
01:32:24,409 --> 01:32:22,800
more an American officer was chewing out

2131
01:32:28,669 --> 01:32:24,419
this Canadian diver for shooting his

2132
01:32:30,350 --> 01:32:28,679
mouth off to his other divers and which

2133
01:32:32,689 --> 01:32:30,360
was Leo genome because that's the type

2134
01:32:34,100 --> 01:32:32,699
of guy who was there and of course that

2135
01:32:35,929 --> 01:32:34,110
brought up the point what was an

2136
01:32:39,379 --> 01:32:35,939
American officer given order you know

2137
01:32:42,139 --> 01:32:39,389
yelling at a Canadian sailor you know

2138
01:32:43,220 --> 01:32:42,149
and on his own ship you know but that

2139
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:43,230
that was the second or

2140
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:44,730
third time that had happened not

2141
01:32:48,910 --> 01:32:46,770
necessarily with with an American

2142
01:32:52,130 --> 01:32:48,920
officer but with an officer Chua Noda a

2143
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:52,140
reading or you know a crewman on a board

2144
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:53,520
and aircraft or anything like that for

2145
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:56,250
talking well you know in a sort of a

2146
01:33:00,440 --> 01:32:57,930
public area which was other military

2147
01:33:02,210 --> 01:33:00,450
people about something they'd seen you

2148
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:02,220
know to do with this particular incident

2149
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:06,239
so again it's just too detailed to get

2150
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:07,710
into and you don't have the time for a

2151
01:33:15,770 --> 01:33:10,110
diner here Martin but I thought of that

2152
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:15,780
is in the book so but Leo that was the

2153
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:18,330
first time we talked to Chris talked to

2154
01:33:26,030 --> 01:33:24,480
him over the phone and so then he talked

2155
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:26,040
to him again once more but he wanted to

2156
01:33:31,070 --> 01:33:27,690
record this so he asked him if he's

2157
01:33:32,750 --> 01:33:31,080
already come over and talked on Natalie

2158
01:33:34,430 --> 01:33:32,760
only or we said sure and nothing to hide

2159
01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:34,440
so he went over there and he had tape

2160
01:33:39,620 --> 01:33:35,820
recorder with him he had a friend with

2161
01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:39,630
him the military fall I believe the

2162
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:41,880
fellows last name was McDonald I have

2163
01:33:45,650 --> 01:33:43,770
Mon tape I

2164
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:45,660
I have McDonald and Chris you know

2165
01:33:50,090 --> 01:33:47,760
talking about on tape in anyway they

2166
01:33:52,270 --> 01:33:50,100
went over to the yoga knows place but

2167
01:33:54,380 --> 01:33:52,280
when they got there Leo was very jumpy

2168
01:33:56,150 --> 01:33:54,390
he said he checked with some of his

2169
01:33:59,330 --> 01:33:56,160
friends at the base and they told keep

2170
01:34:02,030 --> 01:33:59,340
his mouth shut and I shouldn't talk

2171
01:34:03,770 --> 01:34:02,040
about this so Chris sort of kept you

2172
01:34:08,150 --> 01:34:03,780
know in question among and he was

2173
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,160
goading them and then the finally the

2174
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:10,320
guy Leo told him he said no I took I

2175
01:34:13,610 --> 01:34:11,850
think you better leave you know so Chris

2176
01:34:15,260 --> 01:34:13,620
wouldn't wish it any further he made a

2177
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:15,270
last attempt to call him up the phone he

2178
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:17,250
says I've got some recent documents she

2179
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:18,480
said maybe what you were talking about

2180
01:34:22,220 --> 01:34:20,730
was this that and the other thing Leo

2181
01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:22,230
get all upset and he said no he said

2182
01:34:26,630 --> 01:34:23,940
okay you know he started using dead

2183
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:26,640
language you know what you what you say

2184
01:34:32,270 --> 01:34:28,410
what you think I know what I saw and it

2185
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:32,280
wasn't any so and so Russian submarine

2186
01:34:36,620 --> 01:34:34,110
and that sort of thing you know which is

2187
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:36,630
what there's coverage story was supposed

2188
01:34:42,350 --> 01:34:40,380
to be so we had to leave it at that but

2189
01:34:44,150 --> 01:34:42,360
then again you know there was the follow

2190
01:34:48,110 --> 01:34:44,160
who was a there who could identify

2191
01:34:50,330 --> 01:34:48,120
aircraft he reported that same argument

2192
01:34:51,860 --> 01:34:50,340
that the Leo Cano it had with the

2193
01:34:53,450 --> 01:34:51,870
American officer but keeping his mouth

2194
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:53,460
shut about what they saw on the bottom

2195
01:34:56,319 --> 01:34:55,410
and Leo at the time it said well we all

2196
01:35:00,910 --> 01:34:56,329
know it's not some

2197
01:35:02,620 --> 01:35:00,920
blah blah blah Russian submarine we know

2198
01:35:03,609 --> 01:35:02,630
we saw down there you know and that sort

2199
01:35:06,700 --> 01:35:03,619
of thing mm-hmm

2200
01:35:10,359 --> 01:35:06,710
then you get the again I'll let you ask

2201
01:35:12,939 --> 01:35:10,369
the questions yeah yeah just as someone

2202
01:35:16,450 --> 01:35:12,949
had asked in their chat room a little

2203
01:35:18,879 --> 01:35:16,460
while earlier his did they give any type

2204
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:18,889
of description of what the so called

2205
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:23,570
beings look like no none at all

2206
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:25,520
nothing just that they just said

2207
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:26,570
creature okay

2208
01:35:30,729 --> 01:35:29,090
he said that was Lee all right now there

2209
01:35:33,220 --> 01:35:30,739
was another there was other divers they

2210
01:35:35,530 --> 01:35:33,230
went down in pairs and there was one

2211
01:35:37,660 --> 01:35:35,540
diver who who apparently was supposed to

2212
01:35:39,729 --> 01:35:37,670
take pictures and bear in mind when

2213
01:35:41,410 --> 01:35:39,739
you're in 80 feet of water in the waters

2214
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:41,420
off Nova Scotia is so full of plankton

2215
01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:43,010
okay that's where the fishing is so good

2216
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:46,159
that the water did the visibility I was

2217
01:35:50,020 --> 01:35:49,250
a scuba diver myself for years and when

2218
01:35:52,180 --> 01:35:50,030
you're on the bottom

2219
01:35:54,430 --> 01:35:52,190
you're even done you know what to go

2220
01:35:57,250 --> 01:35:54,440
down to the bottom the visibility is not

2221
01:35:58,720 --> 01:35:57,260
much more than about 15 feet so if there

2222
01:36:00,370 --> 01:35:58,730
was another there was two objects on the

2223
01:36:01,780 --> 01:36:00,380
bottom you'd have to be right on top and

2224
01:36:03,729 --> 01:36:01,790
to see both of them at the same time

2225
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,739
because they just sort of disappear into

2226
01:36:10,180 --> 01:36:05,360
the gloom you know just sitting there

2227
01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:10,190
yeah and so so they were apparently

2228
01:36:15,399 --> 01:36:13,070
taking pictures underwater pictures with

2229
01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:15,409
with another fella who since had moved

2230
01:36:22,089 --> 01:36:20,510
to Cornwall Ontario and when we

2231
01:36:24,549 --> 01:36:22,099
attempted to get a hold him Kristin

2232
01:36:26,379 --> 01:36:24,559
tried I tried and neither time which he

2233
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,389
talked he said none look I'm not going

2234
01:36:30,729 --> 01:36:28,400
to talk about those my most out of boat

2235
01:36:33,250 --> 01:36:30,739
and I'm not going to talk about it so

2236
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:33,260
that was the end of that you can only

2237
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:36,530
push these things so far and you have a

2238
01:36:41,649 --> 01:36:38,239
Freedom of Information Act in the United

2239
01:36:43,299 --> 01:36:41,659
States it's much more open to getting

2240
01:36:45,339 --> 01:36:43,309
information than what we have up here in

2241
01:36:46,810 --> 01:36:45,349
Canada when you when you want to get

2242
01:36:49,930 --> 01:36:46,820
information it's called access to

2243
01:36:51,819 --> 01:36:49,940
information and if you can get anybody

2244
01:36:53,410 --> 01:36:51,829
to actually look because they don't have

2245
01:36:54,850 --> 01:36:53,420
a lot of people dedicated to do this

2246
01:36:58,419 --> 01:36:54,860
sort of thing in our government up here

2247
01:37:02,080 --> 01:36:58,429
but just and then normally they'll shut

2248
01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:02,090
you down anyway but in the last year

2249
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:03,980
apparently there's been some attempts to

2250
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:07,760
make their our access to information a

2251
01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:09,850
little bit more liberal

2252
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:12,550
a more informative and put some teeth in

2253
01:37:16,830 --> 01:37:14,290
that you know so that the public

2254
01:37:17,670 --> 01:37:16,840
servants can hide stuff from you know

2255
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,680
people that are trying to get

2256
01:37:22,170 --> 01:37:19,360
information because it's not only us

2257
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:22,180
it's the media the press the opposition

2258
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:23,890
parties at the time you know can't get

2259
01:37:30,450 --> 01:37:29,050
information and so on but and there's of

2260
01:37:35,450 --> 01:37:30,460
course two other people involved there

2261
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:35,460
the the weapons expert and the event

2262
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:40,000
crewmen officer he was who was a in an

2263
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:41,650
art what was that called in Argus back

2264
01:37:46,380 --> 01:37:43,690
well that's what they were in Argus a

2265
01:37:47,940 --> 01:37:46,390
four-engine aircraft for maritime

2266
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:47,950
command that would could track

2267
01:37:52,770 --> 01:37:49,930
submarines use no sonar buoys I was

2268
01:37:54,090 --> 01:37:52,780
telling you about and they were tracking

2269
01:37:57,630 --> 01:37:54,100
these things from he's the one that

2270
01:38:01,500 --> 01:37:57,640
actually opened it up for me and gave me

2271
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:01,510
the you know the exact story of where

2272
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:02,800
these things were coming from you know

2273
01:38:08,610 --> 01:38:05,110
the objects and there was apparently two

2274
01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:08,620
of them again coming down from Siberia

2275
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:11,710
and set off all kinds of alarms at NORAD

2276
01:38:18,690 --> 01:38:14,290
they scrambled aircraft at a North Bay

2277
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:18,700
Ontario and and Goose Bay Labrador and

2278
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:22,210
now in those days in 67 it was RCF at

2279
01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:24,610
that point and which was a big deal if

2280
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:26,110
you're going to scramble north where the

2281
01:38:30,150 --> 01:38:28,840
f-104 snore 'the word there's a good

2282
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:30,160
chance they weren't coming back because

2283
01:38:34,230 --> 01:38:31,330
they didn't have much of a fuel supply

2284
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:34,240
and they were coming down and apparently

2285
01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:35,650
about seventy seven hundred miles an

2286
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:37,510
hour they thought well could be cookin

2287
01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:38,850
Turkana some kind of a nuke on

2288
01:38:42,660 --> 01:38:40,510
intercontinental ballistic missile

2289
01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:42,670
coming over from siberia which would

2290
01:38:46,890 --> 01:38:44,020
have been a good spot from the coming

2291
01:38:50,370 --> 01:38:46,900
from there was Russian and but then they

2292
01:38:52,830 --> 01:38:50,380
stopped somewhere is over northern

2293
01:38:54,660 --> 01:38:52,840
Canada and just stayed for like a couple

2294
01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:54,670
of minutes and that's when they stood

2295
01:38:58,740 --> 01:38:56,590
the aircraft down because they knew very

2296
01:39:01,080 --> 01:38:58,750
well that there's no missile can do that

2297
01:39:02,340 --> 01:39:01,090
and then they proceeded onward about

2298
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:02,350
forty four hundred miles an hour and

2299
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:06,250
eventually at least one of them ended up

2300
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:09,310
in the water at shag harbour from what

2301
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:12,850
he said they tracked we could never ever

2302
01:39:17,460 --> 01:39:14,650
get that from the nearby bases but

2303
01:39:19,530 --> 01:39:17,470
apparently from this guy that's what he

2304
01:39:21,690 --> 01:39:19,540
told us and of course he was supposed to

2305
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:21,700
do a show with christen and I was

2306
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:23,330
eventually in it myself

2307
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:25,130
sightings I don't remember that was

2308
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:28,850
another UFO related program down in the

2309
01:39:35,500 --> 01:39:32,330
United States and he was supposed to be

2310
01:39:37,480 --> 01:39:35,510
on the show and on that program on the

2311
01:39:41,190 --> 01:39:37,490
very first episode and called up Chris

2312
01:39:45,340 --> 01:39:41,200
and said he couldn't make he talked at a

2313
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:45,350
very famous Canadian donut type shop

2314
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:47,210
here and copy known it which is called

2315
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:51,440
Tim Hortons and the Metris there he

2316
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:52,850
showed up on nine o'clock in the evening

2317
01:39:58,180 --> 01:39:55,760
it was in October believe it or not with

2318
01:40:00,280 --> 01:39:58,190
a hat baseball hat and sunglasses on

2319
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:00,290
they said to Chris he was that he

2320
01:40:04,750 --> 01:40:02,480
couldn't couldn't do the show the next

2321
01:40:07,180 --> 01:40:04,760
day to the interview they posted on

2322
01:40:08,740 --> 01:40:07,190
Christmas so gee that's too bad I was

2323
01:40:09,970 --> 01:40:08,750
really depending on your testimony he

2324
01:40:12,670 --> 01:40:09,980
says I'm sorry I can't do anything about

2325
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:12,680
it and they part it so remember I

2326
01:40:19,630 --> 01:40:14,030
mentioned when I was writing the book I

2327
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:19,640
had to get do re-interview a bunch of

2328
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:22,250
people so I got a hold of this fall who

2329
01:40:27,940 --> 01:40:25,250
incidentally has it visible maybe 400

2330
01:40:29,170 --> 01:40:27,950
feet 400 or 500 feet away from where I

2331
01:40:33,370 --> 01:40:29,180
am at this moment

2332
01:40:34,180 --> 01:40:33,380
and and I contacted him and I he doesn't

2333
01:40:38,230 --> 01:40:34,190
want his name mentioned

2334
01:40:40,090 --> 01:40:38,240
but back then and you know asked him to

2335
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,100
repeat what he'd told Chris and he told

2336
01:40:44,350 --> 01:40:42,800
and then I well I was I just hung up on

2337
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:44,360
him I thought I should ask him a why he

2338
01:40:51,790 --> 01:40:49,370
backed out and so I called him back on

2339
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:51,800
that I said can you tell me why you

2340
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:53,930
backed out that night and it wouldn't do

2341
01:40:59,410 --> 01:40:55,520
the interview for sightings and he said

2342
01:41:00,760 --> 01:40:59,420
oh yeah he says the the he said book six

2343
01:41:03,070 --> 01:41:00,770
o'clock that evening I was sitting down

2344
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:03,080
had my supper this guy was a contractor

2345
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:05,930
now pretty big contracting business he

2346
01:41:09,490 --> 01:41:07,850
said the phone rang my wife answered

2347
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,500
said it for you somebody from Ottawa ON

2348
01:41:14,740 --> 01:41:11,360
he's he's you know our Sara nation's

2349
01:41:16,990 --> 01:41:14,750
capital and when you get on the phone

2350
01:41:20,530 --> 01:41:17,000
this guy said I'm a ranking officer in

2351
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:20,540
any Department of National Defense DND

2352
01:41:25,480 --> 01:41:22,610
and he said I understand you're doing an

2353
01:41:29,580 --> 01:41:25,490
interview tomorrow and I'm ordering you

2354
01:41:33,220 --> 01:41:29,590
now telling you now not to do well and

2355
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:33,230
so he said well okay because he's the

2356
01:41:37,729 --> 01:41:34,170
next

2357
01:41:40,340 --> 01:41:37,739
a crew member and actually an officer

2358
01:41:42,020 --> 01:41:40,350
and if they said no that was the way

2359
01:41:44,540 --> 01:41:42,030
when he said apparently the guy told

2360
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:44,550
that they he'd signed affidavits when he

2361
01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:47,520
left meet the forces of 92 which is five

2362
01:41:52,250 --> 01:41:50,280
years after the shake everything that

2363
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:52,260
and that they were going to hold them to

2364
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:53,730
it and you know that he wouldn't

2365
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:55,110
disclose certain things and this is

2366
01:42:01,610 --> 01:41:58,320
apparently one of them ow so I thought

2367
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:01,620
well that's pretty good now if I have

2368
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,600
the time if I do have the time I got to

2369
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:05,040
tell you the other little story that

2370
01:42:11,630 --> 01:42:09,570
backs that up okay is it Ari yeah okay

2371
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:11,640
so some years later we're talking about

2372
01:42:22,010 --> 01:42:19,290
19 maybe 2001 2002 and a friend of mine

2373
01:42:23,630 --> 01:42:22,020
who was also extra services called me up

2374
01:42:26,450 --> 01:42:23,640
and said here the next services buddy of

2375
01:42:28,570 --> 01:42:26,460
his wanted to talk to me he was he was

2376
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:28,580
retired as a major in the Canadian Army

2377
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:31,890
and actually in special ops and so on I

2378
01:42:35,540 --> 01:42:33,570
said yeah sure I'll talk to him so I

2379
01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:35,550
didn't know it was all about we met at a

2380
01:42:39,740 --> 01:42:38,460
military base even though he was retired

2381
01:42:41,930 --> 01:42:39,750
at this point he could still go on the

2382
01:42:43,610 --> 01:42:41,940
base and now and there was a restaurant

2383
01:42:45,650 --> 01:42:43,620
in the plate you know cafeteria in the

2384
01:42:47,090 --> 01:42:45,660
place so we went in we had nice lunch

2385
01:42:49,070 --> 01:42:47,100
and so on and we're talking about he

2386
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:49,080
wanted to know what I could tell him

2387
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:50,489
about a certain incident that happened

2388
01:42:55,550 --> 01:42:51,840
to him which I won't get involved what

2389
01:42:59,300 --> 01:42:55,560
and now because you know we spent a good

2390
01:43:01,459 --> 01:42:59,310
hour on that and the fact that he'd been

2391
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:01,469
in Vietnam during the Vietnam War is a

2392
01:43:06,140 --> 01:43:04,770
Canadian Special Ops soldier which I

2393
01:43:08,450 --> 01:43:06,150
didn't even know we had any of those

2394
01:43:12,050 --> 01:43:08,460
operating back then but apparently we

2395
01:43:17,570 --> 01:43:12,060
did operating a layout of layout into

2396
01:43:19,340 --> 01:43:17,580
Vietnam and so the other fall event had

2397
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:19,350
invited me to meet with him in the first

2398
01:43:22,459 --> 01:43:20,130
place

2399
01:43:24,500 --> 01:43:22,469
art is his first name I don't think he'd

2400
01:43:28,250 --> 01:43:24,510
mind me giving you a first name who is a

2401
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:28,260
civil engineer now said Don said now you

2402
01:43:32,660 --> 01:43:31,050
know quite an experienced him and

2403
01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:32,670
cristela's with the shag harbour

2404
01:43:36,380 --> 01:43:34,920
incident and I said yeah we used to have

2405
01:43:38,990 --> 01:43:36,390
a lot of trouble with you guys back on

2406
01:43:40,459 --> 01:43:39,000
the you know on the day well you know we

2407
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:40,469
probably still do about covering things

2408
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:43,679
up and so on I said I said one of my he

2409
01:43:46,879 --> 01:43:45,449
says well how so and I mentioned about

2410
01:43:50,169 --> 01:43:46,889
this follow that I was telling

2411
01:43:52,820 --> 01:43:50,179
the Helena Opera electronic intelligence

2412
01:43:56,060 --> 01:43:52,830
officers are okay on a board of Argos as

2413
01:43:58,250 --> 01:43:56,070
you know had mentioned that he would men

2414
01:44:00,379 --> 01:43:58,260
and took been told not to do an

2415
01:44:03,290 --> 01:44:00,389
interview about something he'd have been

2416
01:44:06,260 --> 01:44:03,300
involved with back in 1967 by a ranking

2417
01:44:09,410 --> 01:44:06,270
officer in Ottawa he says oh yeah I've

2418
01:44:11,419 --> 01:44:09,420
done that I said what do you mean you've

2419
01:44:13,490 --> 01:44:11,429
told people not to talk about UFOs he

2420
01:44:16,580 --> 01:44:13,500
said no no not about UFOs he said but I

2421
01:44:18,290 --> 01:44:16,590
have been ordered to call somebody who

2422
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:18,300
was it had been in the forces or either

2423
01:44:23,390 --> 01:44:20,730
me press two it was identifying myself

2424
01:44:25,340 --> 01:44:23,400
as a ranking officer with DND in Ottawa

2425
01:44:28,459 --> 01:44:25,350
and we're asked were telling you not to

2426
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:28,469
talk about this and I was floored to be

2427
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:30,000
honest I mean here I actually had

2428
01:44:34,370 --> 01:44:31,800
cooperation of what this thing this

2429
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:34,380
other fall had told me you know and it

2430
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:35,760
doesn't get any clearer than that this

2431
01:44:39,379 --> 01:44:37,770
guy I mean I know who he was you know I

2432
01:44:41,689 --> 01:44:39,389
can't mention his name because he's a

2433
01:44:43,220 --> 01:44:41,699
very well-known person in nova scotia

2434
01:44:45,290 --> 01:44:43,230
and he probably didn't want to have

2435
01:44:46,609 --> 01:44:45,300
because he had his own UFO sighting and

2436
01:44:49,220 --> 01:44:46,619
i don't think he want everybody to talk

2437
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:49,230
about it beyond me he was just trying to

2438
01:44:52,580 --> 01:44:50,880
wanted me to explain it to him because

2439
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:52,590
it was the same old story it had this

2440
01:44:56,060 --> 01:44:54,570
event happened to him and it had

2441
01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:56,070
bothered him for years and years and

2442
01:44:59,629 --> 01:44:57,780
years and wanted some answers about it

2443
01:45:02,510 --> 01:44:59,639
while we know that the UNAM war was in

2444
01:45:04,129 --> 01:45:02,520
the 60s at 74 right and that's when this

2445
01:45:06,740 --> 01:45:04,139
has happened to him so this is many

2446
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:06,750
years he'd been this had been non at him

2447
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:09,330
so I was happy to be able to tell him

2448
01:45:12,410 --> 01:45:11,250
you know you're in the you're in good

2449
01:45:13,970 --> 01:45:12,420
company because they're know that

2450
01:45:16,910 --> 01:45:13,980
literally thousands people have the same

2451
01:45:18,530 --> 01:45:16,920
problem so anyway I had that cooperation

2452
01:45:20,030 --> 01:45:18,540
I wanted to get that one out it's one of

2453
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:20,040
my more interesting stories which didn't

2454
01:45:23,060 --> 01:45:21,210
show up in the book because it happened

2455
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:23,070
long after the book was closed so Wow

2456
01:45:29,870 --> 01:45:27,570
okay good so now I'm sure you heard

2457
01:45:33,979 --> 01:45:29,880
about and I know you're not involved

2458
01:45:38,209 --> 01:45:33,989
with the the society you know the shag

2459
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:38,219
Harbor incident Society but yeah

2460
01:45:42,410 --> 01:45:39,840
I know that you did hear about the

2461
01:45:44,689 --> 01:45:42,420
funding there was an anonymous donor

2462
01:45:50,419 --> 01:45:44,699
that donated some money to keep it going

2463
01:45:54,260 --> 01:45:50,429
I think is great and the reason that the

2464
01:45:56,510 --> 01:45:54,270
donor had was that it's too important

2465
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:56,520
the case is too important anything that

2466
01:46:00,109 --> 01:45:58,080
you know something is you know might

2467
01:46:00,750 --> 01:46:00,119
still come out of that do you feel the

2468
01:46:03,299 --> 01:46:00,760
same way

2469
01:46:07,529 --> 01:46:03,309
that something may still come out of

2470
01:46:10,799 --> 01:46:07,539
shag harbour yeah well what are we at

2471
01:46:12,660 --> 01:46:10,809
fifty years now and you know the people

2472
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:12,670
that were in there you know and their

2473
01:46:17,729 --> 01:46:15,760
twenties enter in their 70s now thirties

2474
01:46:20,879 --> 01:46:17,739
good chance if they were third in their

2475
01:46:23,339 --> 01:46:20,889
30s at that age yeah they're there I

2476
01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:23,349
mean you know they're their days are

2477
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:25,630
becoming numbered and so on again you

2478
01:46:30,689 --> 01:46:28,210
know on a race with the Undertaker and

2479
01:46:32,729 --> 01:46:30,699
if anybody and it's strangely and

2480
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:32,739
strangely enough it happens I mean from

2481
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:34,570
time to time I'll get somebody contacts

2482
01:46:39,299 --> 01:46:37,119
me and say I just read your book or I

2483
01:46:41,310 --> 01:46:39,309
saw the documentary you did on

2484
01:46:43,890 --> 01:46:41,320
such-and-such and I've done how many of

2485
01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:43,900
those now and pretty close to 40 by now

2486
01:46:53,370 --> 01:46:51,190
I think and the and they somebody will

2487
01:46:54,540 --> 01:46:53,380
contact me because you know they saw me

2488
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:54,550
doing this thing and that's their you

2489
01:46:58,410 --> 01:46:56,530
know I had this happened to me or I had

2490
01:47:00,299 --> 01:46:58,420
that happen to me or something happened

2491
01:47:01,859 --> 01:47:00,309
to my father you know and I've got some

2492
01:47:04,140 --> 01:47:01,869
you know maybe some clippings here or

2493
01:47:05,759 --> 01:47:04,150
something and he doesn't he won't still

2494
01:47:07,229 --> 01:47:05,769
won't talk about it this day that sort

2495
01:47:09,660 --> 01:47:07,239
of thing you know goes on so these

2496
01:47:11,459 --> 01:47:09,670
people do still come out who strangely

2497
01:47:14,729 --> 01:47:11,469
enough had never heard of the I mean

2498
01:47:16,620 --> 01:47:14,739
it's to me it seems odd that everybody

2499
01:47:18,089 --> 01:47:16,630
hasn't heard with shagger words and but

2500
01:47:20,490 --> 01:47:18,099
that's because I've been you know up to

2501
01:47:23,069 --> 01:47:20,500
my neck in it for you know 25 years yeah

2502
01:47:28,919 --> 01:47:23,079
well I guess pretty close to it anyway

2503
01:47:30,180 --> 01:47:28,929
20 odd years and so the if anybody's

2504
01:47:32,549 --> 01:47:30,190
getting anything out there you know we

2505
01:47:34,379 --> 01:47:32,559
want to hear about it now even people I

2506
01:47:36,810 --> 01:47:34,389
was contacted by follow who have been

2507
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:36,820
training in in Maine and I forget which

2508
01:47:41,549 --> 01:47:39,489
base now was now I can't remember

2509
01:47:43,620 --> 01:47:41,559
you know I've flown over me lots of

2510
01:47:46,379 --> 01:47:43,630
times landed there in Bangor you know

2511
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,389
down yeah down in Augusta or those

2512
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:48,400
places some I'm trying to think of the

2513
01:47:52,430 --> 01:47:50,650
name of that base where it was it was on

2514
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:52,440
the East Coast anyway and they'd seen a

2515
01:48:01,049 --> 01:47:54,610
while they were training over there and

2516
01:48:02,220 --> 01:48:01,059
they were using prop-driven aircrafts

2517
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:02,230
originally trained I think he was

2518
01:48:08,279 --> 01:48:04,480
training with the Coast Guard and they

2519
01:48:12,689 --> 01:48:08,289
had had he recalled that particular time

2520
01:48:14,430 --> 01:48:12,699
base of 1967 and and they had seen odd

2521
01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:14,440
instances of things going on over

2522
01:48:20,689 --> 01:48:16,420
towards egg harbor because we're there

2523
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:20,699
red you know you're across too big the

2524
01:48:26,580 --> 01:48:23,199
Gulf of Maine there but you're not that

2525
01:48:28,919 --> 01:48:26,590
far away from Nova Scotia it's only you

2526
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:28,929
know maybe 70 miles across the water if

2527
01:48:33,660 --> 01:48:31,210
that at the very southern southwestern

2528
01:48:36,450 --> 01:48:33,670
tip I could look it up in Google Rihanna

2529
01:48:38,669 --> 01:48:36,460
but I don't think you are but you know

2530
01:48:41,130 --> 01:48:38,679
we're this yeah I mean when I was living

2531
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:41,140
down and my I had a built a summer home

2532
01:48:46,110 --> 01:48:43,210
long was the winter it was a house down

2533
01:48:49,620 --> 01:48:46,120
there in Meleager Lake in Nova Scotia is

2534
01:48:54,540 --> 01:48:49,630
basically across from on the same

2535
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:54,550
latitude as cheese I'm trying to

2536
01:49:00,919 --> 01:48:56,050
remember the president's place down

2537
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:00,929
there it starts with a K not Kennebunk

2538
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:04,090
yeah a monk yeah yeah it was on the same

2539
01:49:08,490 --> 01:49:06,400
same latitude is that okay I'm not

2540
01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:08,500
saying there was any kind of UFO ins and

2541
01:49:12,209 --> 01:49:10,120
I'm just saying that my my house was on

2542
01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:12,219
the same latitude ketab own gain

2543
01:49:19,410 --> 01:49:17,260
right so but anyway so this particular

2544
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:19,420
person had called was called up and said

2545
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:23,290
him and his his radar a guy in the back

2546
01:49:27,150 --> 01:49:25,570
and they were in a they're in a still

2547
01:49:29,340 --> 01:49:27,160
was the property of an aircraft I'm

2548
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:29,350
tending to think it was a like an

2549
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:31,210
Avenger or something like that as a

2550
01:49:37,110 --> 01:49:35,170
trainer and had seen weird lights in the

2551
01:49:39,900 --> 01:49:37,120
sky over towards that and that any

2552
01:49:41,790 --> 01:49:39,910
contact me you some years later and he

2553
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:41,800
gave me a little bit of information I

2554
01:49:46,830 --> 01:49:45,040
want I pushed him to stay in touch

2555
01:49:48,270 --> 01:49:46,840
because I wanted to get some I asked him

2556
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:48,280
a bunch of questions online and you

2557
01:49:51,150 --> 01:49:50,050
never answered and a lot of times these

2558
01:49:52,290 --> 01:49:51,160
people get frightened off because

2559
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:52,300
they're afraid their name will come out

2560
01:49:56,370 --> 01:49:53,340
you know and maybe they'll be either

2561
01:49:58,979 --> 01:49:56,380
ridiculed or maybe maybe he was still in

2562
01:50:00,780 --> 01:49:58,989
the forces that you know when this is

2563
01:50:01,979 --> 01:50:00,790
when this is when this happened and so

2564
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:01,989
you've always got to be careful of that

2565
01:50:07,950 --> 01:50:03,610
I've had that happened so many times to

2566
01:50:09,959 --> 01:50:07,960
me it's not funny but and it's

2567
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:09,969
unfortunate too because you you get some

2568
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:12,330
good information sometimes it sticks a

2569
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:14,170
lot of times it doesn't

2570
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:17,770
yes now eventually these crafted a

2571
01:50:24,570 --> 01:50:20,320
people did people actually see them come

2572
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:24,580
out of the water and take off well

2573
01:50:30,189 --> 01:50:26,170
there's an it there's a

2574
01:50:32,860 --> 01:50:30,199
a document by Lachlan Cameron from the

2575
01:50:34,270 --> 01:50:32,870
RCMP that's seven days later down in

2576
01:50:37,660 --> 01:50:34,280
woods Harbor you know I mentioned that

2577
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:37,670
before it had it when you're in the

2578
01:50:43,689 --> 01:50:41,360
north northern end of woods Harbor

2579
01:50:46,060 --> 01:50:43,699
you're practically at you know at the

2580
01:50:48,939 --> 01:50:46,070
Irish moss plant I mean it's her talk of

2581
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:48,949
a few hundred feet or so but they were

2582
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:52,159
in there in their home and the TV went a

2583
01:50:56,379 --> 01:50:54,080
little wonky I think they were watching

2584
01:50:57,580 --> 01:50:56,389
Ed Sullivan or something couldn't mean

2585
01:50:59,709 --> 01:50:57,590
head so low because it was Wednesday

2586
01:51:01,689 --> 01:50:59,719
night so anyway they were watching a

2587
01:51:07,090 --> 01:51:01,699
program a TV back then it was on rabbit

2588
01:51:09,129 --> 01:51:07,100
ears right 67 and some company had come

2589
01:51:10,750 --> 01:51:09,139
along with their children as well and he

2590
01:51:13,450 --> 01:51:10,760
went outside to try to maybe fix the

2591
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:13,460
antenna and they watched two objects

2592
01:51:17,050 --> 01:51:15,110
climbing away from the water upwards

2593
01:51:22,030 --> 01:51:17,060
from basically the same area where the

2594
01:51:25,629 --> 01:51:22,040
other ones had gone in off in the sound

2595
01:51:27,129 --> 01:51:25,639
off of a shag harbour and they started

2596
01:51:28,899 --> 01:51:27,139
went up hovered for a little bit and

2597
01:51:30,490 --> 01:51:28,909
turned around and went off over the Gulf

2598
01:51:32,500 --> 01:51:30,500
of Maine over towards the mainland

2599
01:51:33,879 --> 01:51:32,510
United States then wait a minute UFO

2600
01:51:35,530 --> 01:51:33,889
report or something down there that

2601
01:51:37,660 --> 01:51:35,540
night don't knows but there is two of

2602
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:37,670
them there the lights around the room

2603
01:51:41,709 --> 01:51:39,770
you know and so on and so forth so

2604
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:41,719
whether that had anything to do it's

2605
01:51:45,729 --> 01:51:44,000
pretty odd it was the case and when was

2606
01:51:48,729 --> 01:51:45,739
the same area and it was exactly a week

2607
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:48,739
later and about nine o'clock 9 to 9:30

2608
01:51:53,410 --> 01:51:51,679
and evening so I think that's the one

2609
01:51:55,629 --> 01:51:53,420
you're referring to it says it's in the

2610
01:51:59,620 --> 01:51:55,639
it's in the RCMP document there which is

2611
01:52:01,930 --> 01:51:59,630
basically a telex uh-huh and was did you

2612
01:52:03,850 --> 01:52:01,940
say earlier that they actually uh there

2613
01:52:05,770 --> 01:52:03,860
was another question that came in that

2614
01:52:10,750 --> 01:52:05,780
said do you think there is sonar

2615
01:52:13,090 --> 01:52:10,760
evidence of these underwater objects

2616
01:52:18,580 --> 01:52:13,100
moving but I did you already address

2617
01:52:19,930 --> 01:52:18,590
that well sort of the sonar buoys they

2618
01:52:23,740 --> 01:52:19,940
were apparently tracking these things

2619
01:52:25,959 --> 01:52:23,750
when they went up in Coast uh you know

2620
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:25,969
the the Shelburne components the thing

2621
01:52:31,330 --> 01:52:30,110
almost lends me to believe that there

2622
01:52:35,890 --> 01:52:31,340
were people knew there was something

2623
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:35,900
going on before the the error desk in

2624
01:52:39,010 --> 01:52:38,239
Ottawa which was the RCAF itself anyway

2625
01:52:41,620 --> 01:52:39,020
and on

2626
01:52:43,180 --> 01:52:41,630
was going on or maybe they did know at

2627
01:52:45,490 --> 01:52:43,190
the time but they had to sort of keep a

2628
01:52:48,370 --> 01:52:45,500
public face going at the same time they

2629
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:48,380
had you know the what do they call it

2630
01:52:54,490 --> 01:52:51,920
there's a name for that of under-covered

2631
01:52:56,170 --> 01:52:54,500
but not exactly that were covert you

2632
01:52:58,720 --> 01:52:56,180
know and I won't say it undercover

2633
01:53:01,200 --> 01:52:58,730
yeah Oliver yeah exactly good for you

2634
01:53:06,580 --> 01:53:01,210
I'm just no not lose all those words and

2635
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:06,590
but anyway you know it it there were so

2636
01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:07,970
many little different things going on

2637
01:53:12,820 --> 01:53:10,310
that seemed to be really well prepared

2638
01:53:14,500 --> 01:53:12,830
ahead of time you know that you know

2639
01:53:16,180 --> 01:53:14,510
these things were on them right off the

2640
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:16,190
bat you know they were in the water now

2641
01:53:22,300 --> 01:53:19,840
just just to say this to be fair

2642
01:53:24,910 --> 01:53:22,310
Chris and I can't be a hundred percent

2643
01:53:27,700 --> 01:53:24,920
sure that the dates match up for

2644
01:53:30,010 --> 01:53:27,710
Shelburne and shag harbour but there's

2645
01:53:32,530 --> 01:53:30,020
so many people or not so many but enough

2646
01:53:35,470 --> 01:53:32,540
people saying that it did you know the

2647
01:53:38,350 --> 01:53:35,480
witnesses themselves all put it in to

2648
01:53:40,060 --> 01:53:38,360
the same timeframe of what was going on

2649
01:53:41,260 --> 01:53:40,070
over shag her but they'd referred well

2650
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:41,270
you know that the other thing was going

2651
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:43,370
on over Jay Garber while this thing was

2652
01:53:48,100 --> 01:53:45,890
going on you know and we'd get that kind

2653
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:48,110
of but never anybody can nail it down

2654
01:53:52,030 --> 01:53:50,570
for us there is one RCMP document out

2655
01:53:53,230 --> 01:53:52,040
there that we call the X Paul because

2656
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:53,240
it's the only one we've ever seen that

2657
01:54:03,010 --> 01:53:56,890
actually had an X in the file number and

2658
01:54:08,260 --> 01:54:03,020
with Leo Howard mercy who had a DMV MV

2659
01:54:10,270 --> 01:54:08,270
Nickerson which was a long liner fishing

2660
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:10,280
boat had a radar and everything on it

2661
01:54:15,370 --> 01:54:11,840
and they they had been watching some

2662
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:15,380
objects in the sky and while he was out

2663
01:54:19,690 --> 01:54:17,570
there he got a call from Coast Guard

2664
01:54:23,650 --> 01:54:19,700
saying the RCMP wanted him to drop into

2665
01:54:28,110 --> 01:54:23,660
their into their detachment in Lunenburg

2666
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:33,370
and and this document was a testament to

2667
01:54:37,900 --> 01:54:35,570
that we told them what they'd seen in

2668
01:54:40,660 --> 01:54:37,910
the sky how these things had gone again

2669
01:54:45,700 --> 01:54:40,670
on the same night as the shag harbour

2670
01:54:47,740 --> 01:54:45,710
ensign and maybe this is the same thing

2671
01:54:50,370 --> 01:54:47,750
that was going on over a shag harbour or

2672
01:54:52,290 --> 01:54:50,380
in Shelburne

2673
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:52,300
now Shelburne could mean two things

2674
01:54:58,590 --> 01:54:54,130
either the county of Shelburne or the

2675
01:55:00,570 --> 01:54:58,600
town of Shelburne Shelburne itself had a

2676
01:55:06,810 --> 01:55:00,580
has a pretty nice little Herbert's not

2677
01:55:09,210 --> 01:55:06,820
to Halifax but it was the alternate base

2678
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:09,220
for none capital ships like destroyers

2679
01:55:12,570 --> 01:55:10,690
and Corvettes and all that sort of thing

2680
01:55:13,590 --> 01:55:12,580
they could they could actually work from

2681
01:55:15,810 --> 01:55:13,600
there because there's railroad

2682
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:15,820
connecting Halifax to to there the Old

2683
01:55:19,770 --> 01:55:17,410
South Western railroads connected to

2684
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:19,780
Shelburne and so on at that time in an

2685
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:21,970
emergency case because as I mentioned to

2686
01:55:26,430 --> 01:55:24,010
you before the north western end of the

2687
01:55:28,050 --> 01:55:26,440
northern section of Halifax was pretty

2688
01:55:31,380 --> 01:55:28,060
much wiped off the map during the

2689
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:31,390
Halifax Explosion Dorne in 1917 in

2690
01:55:37,230 --> 01:55:35,440
December 6th on December 6 19 before you

2691
01:55:40,170 --> 01:55:37,240
move on how did that was that explosion

2692
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:40,180
any part of somehow World War one or how

2693
01:55:44,970 --> 01:55:41,370
did that happen

2694
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:44,980
yeah well what happened there was a I'm

2695
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:47,650
on Mont Blanc works for two vessels one

2696
01:55:52,380 --> 01:55:50,560
one was loaded with munitions heading

2697
01:55:56,700 --> 01:55:52,390
over like I mentioned Halifax a staging

2698
01:55:58,170 --> 01:55:56,710
area to go to York and during the Second

2699
01:55:59,760 --> 01:55:58,180
World War or during the First World War

2700
01:56:01,590 --> 01:55:59,770
and the Second World War but this is the

2701
01:56:05,100 --> 01:56:01,600
first world war we're talking about and

2702
01:56:07,110 --> 01:56:05,110
it had benzene gas and all kinds of

2703
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:07,120
stuff on board but there was also as

2704
01:56:14,010 --> 01:56:09,970
high-energy explosives and so on in this

2705
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:14,020
thing and it got t-boned by the IMO and

2706
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:19,360
it was on fire and the it was in what's

2707
01:56:22,770 --> 01:56:20,890
called the Narrows at the north end of

2708
01:56:24,780 --> 01:56:22,780
the harbor which goes into a big basin

2709
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:24,790
Bedford Basin which is where I live

2710
01:56:28,890 --> 01:56:26,320
actually live right on the edge of it

2711
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:28,900
here and it's a big round circular area

2712
01:56:37,260 --> 01:56:35,170
and in theum so they're you know they

2713
01:56:39,210 --> 01:56:37,270
were putting a cruise together to open

2714
01:56:41,190 --> 01:56:39,220
fight this thing that was a fire off

2715
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:41,200
both of them were drifting on a fire on

2716
01:56:47,730 --> 01:56:43,930
in the Narrows and then all of a sudden

2717
01:56:49,470 --> 01:56:47,740
the Mont Blanc blew and I mean it was

2718
01:56:52,230 --> 01:56:49,480
like I said it was the biggest man-made

2719
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:52,240
explosion up until they dropped the air

2720
01:57:03,010 --> 01:57:01,620
they the American nuclear science some

2721
01:57:04,750 --> 01:57:03,020
some of the American nuclear

2722
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:04,760
science that were building the a-bomb

2723
01:57:12,190 --> 01:57:08,650
had come from Los Alamos up to Halifax

2724
01:57:15,610 --> 01:57:12,200
during the Second World War to to look

2725
01:57:17,500 --> 01:57:15,620
at old pictures of Halifax and the

2726
01:57:19,060 --> 01:57:17,510
explosive effect of this thing going off

2727
01:57:20,620 --> 01:57:19,070
in the harbour because they were trying

2728
01:57:22,660 --> 01:57:20,630
to determine what's the best way to set

2729
01:57:24,070 --> 01:57:22,670
off the a bomber they should do an air

2730
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:24,080
shot or let it hit the ground or

2731
01:57:27,790 --> 01:57:26,330
whatever and because that was the only

2732
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:27,800
one they actually had where there was

2733
01:57:33,190 --> 01:57:30,890
evidence of it you know so often

2734
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:33,200
immediately killed about 1600 people and

2735
01:57:37,870 --> 01:57:36,050
eventually 2,000 people died it blinded

2736
01:57:39,310 --> 01:57:37,880
something like six or seven hundred

2737
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:39,320
because people were standing in their

2738
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:41,770
windows and they're in schools and

2739
01:57:45,100 --> 01:57:43,850
buildings office buildings and all this

2740
01:57:47,290 --> 01:57:45,110
sort of thing there's probably I don't

2741
01:57:49,900 --> 01:57:47,300
know fifty seventy thousand people in

2742
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:49,910
his city Halifax baculum World War one

2743
01:57:54,820 --> 01:57:51,650
when this thing went off but fortunately

2744
01:57:56,530 --> 01:57:54,830
he went off there's it the land goes

2745
01:57:59,230 --> 01:57:56,540
upwards you know into a quite a hill

2746
01:58:01,000 --> 01:57:59,240
there and the Narrows goes just a bit

2747
01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:01,010
around that hill so a lot of the

2748
01:58:05,290 --> 01:58:03,050
explosive power the thing was deflected

2749
01:58:06,970 --> 01:58:05,300
by the hill so it didn't get down right

2750
01:58:09,820 --> 01:58:06,980
into the city it got into the north end

2751
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:09,830
of the city oh oh it is funny and I

2752
01:58:14,050 --> 01:58:12,290
don't want to seem you you think you'd

2753
01:58:14,850 --> 01:58:14,060
hear a lot about something like that but

2754
01:58:18,910 --> 01:58:14,860
you really don't

2755
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:18,920
yeah Don we're we're out of time already

2756
01:58:25,150 --> 01:58:22,250
out of time yeah yeah okay so I wanted

2757
01:58:27,130 --> 01:58:25,160
to very want to thank you so much and I

2758
01:58:31,060 --> 01:58:27,140
really look forward to meeting you come

2759
01:58:33,220 --> 01:58:31,070
October yeah okay we will be done I'll

2760
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:33,230
be now after Axel and I will coordinate

2761
01:58:37,420 --> 01:58:34,970
a new Martin we've talked couplet is

2762
01:58:40,330 --> 01:58:37,430
also good personal yes exactly

2763
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:40,340
alright you take care now yeah okay are

2764
01:58:45,820 --> 01:58:41,840
you to thank you bye now bye

2765
01:58:47,580 --> 01:58:45,830
thank you okay everyone I'm not sure why

2766
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:47,590
that music is going but let me stop it

2767
01:58:55,240 --> 01:58:52,010
thanks so much for listening to the show

2768
01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:55,250
this evening and I really appreciate it

2769
01:59:01,530 --> 01:58:57,920
and next week we have been hurl from

2770
01:59:04,300 --> 01:59:01,540
Australia he's going to be on and so

2771
01:59:07,090 --> 01:59:04,310
that will be next week at the same time

2772
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:07,100
right here and if you were in the chat

2773
01:59:11,620 --> 01:59:09,530
room on YouTube watching a live thank

2774
01:59:14,290 --> 01:59:11,630
you so much and if you support the show

2775
01:59:15,910 --> 01:59:14,300
thank you so much as well

2776
01:59:22,350 --> 01:59:15,920
and all right we'll see you here next